Final word on Bute-Andrade

I think I get it now. You're saying that, had the fight continued, Bute surely would have been KO'd by Andrade. So the bell saved him from very likely getting knocked out. Is that what you mean?

If so, that's not what being saved by the bell means. And it has no relevance at all to the argument.

 

Yes - the reff should have counted (maybe a bit faster and without repeating six) but then he should have waved the fight off since Bute was not able to continue.

 

That's a different argument altogether. You're questioning the judgement of the ref. Fine, but he did follow the rules. And more importantly, Bute was up before the actual, stopwatch count of 10.

 

Not quite - what I say is, that the reff should have waved the fight off after counting since Bute was not able to continue - the bell rang after he had counted.

 

By the time the ref had counted to six the first time around, Bute had risen with his hands clear of the floor, so the bell should have ringed: RULE 6! Since the fight was over, there was no point for the referee to carry on counting. Bute had beaten the count. End of the fight. It goes to the judges. The referee DIDN'T know the fight had ended because the timekeeper failed to ring the bell, because, like you, he didn't understand rule 6! Because he never heard the bell, because the timekeeper never ringed it, the referee carried on! There was no fight for Bute to continue after he beat the count, so there was nothing for the referee to wave off. It didn't matter whether Bute was able to continue since there was nothing to continue. The fight was already over the very second he beat the count ie: when he had risen with his hands clear of the floor, eight seconds after the knockdown, six seconds after the end of the three minute period, when the bell should have ringed, but didn't!

 

I'm sure you're right - I use "saved by the bell" as a way of saying that the only reason the reff didn't wave the fight off as a KO was that the bell would ring.

 

Oh - I didn't know the bell rang too late and that changes quite a bit for my argument. I'm in doubt but you're probably right.

 

OK, good. However, it's your opinion that Bute was unable to continue. The ref's judgement was that Bute had met the requirements to beat the count and decided to let the fight continue. You can argue that he used bad judgement, but it's your opinion against his. The fact that the bell rang after he counted has nothing to do with anything.

So the "saved by the bell" rule here was not in play at all. And the ref acted completely within his rights, and within the rules. It's a major difference.

 

Don't worry about it, mate; you're not the first and you won't be the last. Many weeks after you understand this as well as anyone here, you'll get people telling you you have no ****ing clue and that Andrade was robbed and Bute saved by the bell... :good

When asked what they mean by saved by the bell, they'll say:

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why would you post tripe like this?

the guy just conceded a point.

grow up.

 

Andrade won the fight. Bute should have been stopped before he was down. The ref did every thing to stop Andrade to finish him off. 10 seconds before the KO, Bute couldn't stand on his own feeds - please.

 

What? Did you read Decibel's post? I thought he was pretty gracious. And I am, too. Flemevel is one of the rare people who can listen to a counterargument. That's more than can be said for many on this board!

 

Bute was standing on his own feeds just fine. The rest is your opinion.

 

I was making the point that many people feel they are 100% certain they are right about this, and that anyone who disagrees with them must be mad or bad or both, and it turns out they hadn't read the rules or watched the video. It's frustrating when someone says: "2+2=5, obviously, and the lot of you are crazy for denying it; look I have a maths degree to prove that I am right!"

Now, get off my case, dude; you've been following me all evening!

 

theres nothing gracious whe you judge a person like that online and use emotes to finsih off your post.

thats bull**** and lacks character.