Final word on Bute-Andrade

Well since you're so clever maybe you can tell me what the rules say regarding the the "bell-man" ringing late? If that's a mistake you have to accept like reff mistakes which happen in every fight, I still have a case ;-)

 

then dont post the same way if you want to push the same judgment.

 

Geez. Is it ladies night here?

 

If he couldn't stand on his own feet, why did he not fall down? Why should the ref rob Bute of his title when he wasn't taking many punches because he was clinching, and when the ref stopped him from clinching, he was in the process of falling down for the inevitable count?

I have a better argument: The referee should have stopped Andrade after the 10th round, because Bute kept on hitting him flush and Andrade had no skills to defend himself. How about that?

 

nope. you're just backing up your mate without putting up a point of view.

 

do you know what out on his feet means?

that was a legitimate point in the 12th.

 

I quoted you rule 6 a couple of times already? Still not read it? Here you go, but for the last time now:

This is what it says:

"6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor."
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The timekeeper made a mistake that confused the referee into continuing the count past the point when the fight was effectively over. The timekeeper's mistake could have cost Bute the fight because the referee would have deemed him technically knocked down if he had fallen down again after beating the count. In other words, if Bute got up at the count of 6, when the bell should have ringed, but didn't, and then would have fallen down again before the referee could get to 8 and before he could then restart the fight, (at which time the bell actually ringed), the referee would have declared Bute technically knocked out even though he had beaten the count and had therefore fallen over AFTER the end of the fight, when it should no longer matter whether he is up or not. This is why the timekeeper's mistake was so significant.:good

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With that argument, why not after the first round or better before the fight started, we knew Bute would outland Andrade and his only chance was the KO :huh :huh

 

Right, finally we agree. The referee has to apply the rules and his good judgement. He did both. There was no KO, because Bute beat the count. Bute shouldn't have been stopped because Andrade wasn't hurting him that much. Proof of that is that when Bute did fall down, he beat the count and remained on his feet afterwards, and even answered the referee's call to continue fighting. He then walked gingerly to his corner, gave an interview, went to the press conference - he was fine! The referee had been proven to have taken the right decision in not stopping the fight prematurely. The man who dominated the fight clearly was strong enough to beat the count and deserved to win. Bute W 12.:good

Andrade had a good chance of winning by KO but he started his final attack too late. Had he put Bute on his arse 15 seconds earlier, I'm pretty sure he'd have KOed him. But he was too late. Bute survived, beat the count, won a decision. :good

Looking forward to the rematch.:good

 

You've got quite an attitude for a guy who has obvious reading difficulties himself. Read my question again and rethink if you reply to my question - that would suit you. The bell rang after the reff had re-started the fight. According to you a clear mistake and I believe you on that one. My simple question is: What does the rules say about that mistake? Meaning, is that a mistake you have to accept like a reff mistake?

 

I am sorry I did not understand what you meant the first time around. It's hard for us to understand each other well when you don't express yourself clearly in English and when English is not my first language either.

Do I have to accept the mistake of the timekeeper if it leads to the wrong result? It depends how serious the mistake was, I guess, and whether it was accidental or due to incompetence. If due to incompetence, like in this case, it's hard to accept, particularly since it is so serious. If Bute had been robbed of his win through the mistake of the timekeeper, there would have been a contestation and he'd have a very good case. Andrade doesn't have a good case, because the referee applied the rules and his good judgement, except when he counted 6 twice. But since that was immaterial to the result anyway, since it occured after the end of the fight, and since, practically, it didn't help Bute beat the count nor deprive Andrade of his chance to go for the KO again...it wasn't so serious, and could have easily been accidental.

 

No worries and thanks for the reply.

Hmmm, I was more curious as to whether you knew if there are any firm rules on the matter but I appreciate your opinion. Since I didn't know about the "late-ringing-bell" mistake before I made my initial argument I'll say that this whole case is very much up for interpretation - and I have to agree with you that Andrade surely doesn't have a strong case. I can't see how he can hope for anything more than a re-match.

 

people who are this much in your face do it because they can only do it online.

its also why he replies to you so fast. its a buzz to him.

ask him to post the PM's i've sent to him and ask him also why he hasn't replied to them.

he assumes he can pull people down with 'intelligence' but its only because its the only outlet he has and he relies on that when he posts.

 

hes not confident. he just does it because its the only way he can 'dominate' people without actually meeting them.