Final word on Bute-Andrade

I appreciate your good will and friendliness but I fight my own fights and this was just a discussion - I'm not here to be right, I'm here to discuss boxing and not people and if someone can change my point of view with a fact or a good argument I'm just as pleased as the other way around.

 

fair enough but he's here just to sell himself.

hes not trying to be objective.

hes just trying to buy rep points..

you also dont have to be 'right' to discuss a point, but you do need someone who tries to put a genuine point of view across

 

Well...I think the referee should have stopped the fight after Bute KOed Andrade earlier in the fight. How about that.

You keep talking about a KO as if it had actually happened. For a KO to happen, you need to be counted out. Bute was up on his feet with his hands clear of the floor, without hanging helplessly over the ropes within eight seconds of being knocked down. He couldn't have been counted out for ten in that time.

So, before I take you and your posts seriously, you have to accept this simple fact: there was no KO. Take it easy, now.

 

Anywhich way, whether or not would have been able to count to 10 before Bute hanged on the ropes, it is an embarrasing "win" for Bute.

He did better that I had expected, and had done his homework. Andrade has mostly himself to blame for being so cautious. Librado had the stylistic advantage, but didn't use this advantage very well except in a few rounds.

Having said this - Bute showed to me that he is even more vulnerable than I had expected. The fact that he was out of it for a full 3 minutes in the last round, makes me wonder, if it is safe to let him face any top rank in the future. It could have gone so terribly wrong in the last round.

 

Yeah, truly embarrassing that instead of running for the last two rounds, he tried to give the fans their money's worth by fighting, eh, DP?

Bute showed he was vulnerable because he has no inside game, but we already knew that. He showed he was vulnerable because he wasn't as strong as we thought in the Championship rounds. But did he not also prove a lot of heart and guts by beating the count? Not everyone could have made it up in time.

P.S. When asked who gave him the harder fight, Kessler or Bute, Andrade said Bute gave him the harder fight.:good

 

WTF you talking about ? A brawler with tons of heart and a granite chin having a stylistic advantage over the skilled and mobile boxer ? Since when ?

Bute won 10 rounds out of 12. And he's not ready for ?

 

I think Bute would agree that the end of the fight was embarrassing for him. After all, he used his stylistic advantages to dominate the action for 95 percent of the fight. It was only in the second half of the final round that he did a dumb thing: He decided to slug it out with the guy you don't ever want to slug it out with.

Master boxers were probably screaming at him. I can hear Floyd calling him an idiot for playing into Andrade's hands. Ditto Calzaghe.

For 11 rounds, Bute masterfully played the game of hit and don't get hit. Then, whether it was fatigue or ego, he decided to lay into Andrade. Big mistake, and one he'll not repeat ever again if he's smart.

Exciting fight. I feel for Andrade. But the guy will have serious trouble ever being at the top of the division. He's an incredibly tough, but limited fighter.

 

Well, Andrade has the right style to take advantage of Bute's lack of inside game. Bute's pet hate is pressure. Andrade's best asset is pressure. Bute has to fight the perfect fight to beat Andrade, as we saw last Friday.

 

OK - you wanted to finished the fight when Andrade had a slip, but not when Bute for more than a minute didn't fight back, couldn't keep his balance and was KD :yikes



(I just had a thought, are you a Bute fan?)

 

:huh

I made a ridiculous comment to make you feel the way you make me feel!

THERE WAS NO KO IN THIS FIGHT!:good

 

Seeing how Bute's mobility and fast hands gave Andrade trouble for 10 out of 12 rounds, I'll have to disagree with that.

 

you comparing that to mayorga fighting forrest or when forrest fought mosley or when mosley fought oscar or when oscar fought mayorga.....or did that just fit in with what you wanted to say?

 

It was idiotic of his team to say he had to go in there and win the championship. And no, Bute didn't try to win it, he just didn't try to lose it either. He was a KO waiting to happen in the full 3 mins, and it is really a miracle that it just happened so late in the round.

Bute was vulnerable for your mentioned reasons, but it was not really what I had in mind, but the fact that it took so very little offense from Andrade to look like a hurt mouse. Especially considering that Bute matched Andrades strength and to me, more so. He was just so easily rocked, as proven in ie round 4 and especially round 5.

I don't even think you believe the last comment, from a boxer that is so friendly. Andrade-Kessler was fought at a much higher pace, and Andrade received punishment for 12 rounds. So what do you believe?

 

Bute has never like pressure fighters. And Andrade is all that. (Un)fortunately he had the foot off the pedal most of this fight. Instead he tried to box with Bute, where Bute will always be his superior. Bute had done his homework, and clinched every time Andrade turned up the pressure. Most of the time, when he failed - he lost - and lost big.

PS Alot of slick boxers have problems with pressure fighters, they are each others nemesis. However, I don't see Bute as a slick boxer, nor a very mobile one.

 

We're not disagreeing. I agree with you that if Bute fights a perfect fight he can win a shutout. But the first time he makes a mistake and allows Andrade to drag him into a fight on the inside, it's likely he gets dropped. Andrade is a great inside/pressure fighter. Bute doesn't have an inside game...this is where Andrade has a big style advantage - on the inside. Bute has a big style advantage on the outside, but from the outside, Bute couldn't stop Andrade, who is so tough. On the inside, Andrade almost stopped Bute.