Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

Rico,

You've gone quiet.

 

Eubank didn`t want the Jones jnr fight and Benn wasn`t bothered.Jones didn`t avoid either of them.

 

Eubank was content to just defend his WBO belt.

I do believe that Benn wanted Roy in around 95 though.

 

Lol thread still going

 

I wonder where Felix is?

Maybe he's still here as an alt.

 

This thread has gone to a pathetic state.
You guys realize these are only your opinions, opinions that hold no more weight than ANY ONE else's opinions.

How can you guys go back and forth so much trying to break each other into accepting your opinion means more than their's. You know, no one can be right and no one can be wrong with arguments regarding differing opinions.

What one truly believes cannot be wrong without any actual facts to any outcomes. What you believe, I'd what you believe. I truly used to believe jones was unbeatable until he was matched with a true seasoned vet, he was then destroyed.

The writing was on the wall, he was gifted a win vs Tarver. .. the 2nd fight was the only fight that was going to tell me everything I needed to know about rjj.. had he won that in any way, it would've cemented him in my mind as a truly great fighter. After losing so badly to a competent fighter, could he makes the needed adjustments, of course he could.. Tarver was never anything special, so if rjj was truly a great, he would make the adjustments needed and bear him in the rematch..

The writing was actually on the wall much earlier but I summed that up (obvioualy in denial) to the fighters knowing too much about each other.. now I now know, that should've meant rjj knew everything about this journeyman and never would've allowed him being knocked on his a$$ from his former out of shape slow as could possibly be sparring partner. I forget his name, but he was a nobody. .

I lied to myself and tried to believe he didn't want to hurt his sparring partner, then after seconditions viewing, I saw rjj fading and being setup by this c level fighter and almost losing. Lucky there was only 2 rounds he needed to cover up on the ropes and hold to make it out of the setup mismatch. .

I could never ever claim rjj was a great, never was. Just a very over hyped match maker. Rjj had speed and power but no real boxing skill to talk of.. as a kid, I bought what was being sold, I know too much about boxing to ever think any higher of rjj except a good belt collector, mostly against the weakest belt holder in each division..

Anyone claiming he could ever hang with trip G or Kovalev needs their head examined.. the cold hard truth is bitter sweat for me. I wanted him to live up to the nonsense people tried to sell everyone

 

Truth hurts too much, been waiting on rjj's fan boys to claim how great a "prime" rjj was. The one being knocked down and begging for the finish line against a sparring partner. Couldn't even make it to journeyman level. And the one losing weight 5/6 rounds straight against a C+ level fighter then getting dq'd because he blew his load going for the stoppage, both him and monteil were looking for a way out

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

What an uber-clueless tragic deluded freak Loudunce is. One of the worst, dumbest posters ever and without a doubt the biggest loser in esb history.

If I ever met Loudunce I'd cave his fat pompous face in just for being such an absolute spastic. :yep

 

In classic Team Elite fashion, let's clear up some more stupid misconceptions that are floating around the boxing forums;.

Michalczewski vs Hall

For years there's been a number of myths being mindlessly parroted about regarding the Michalczewski-Hall fights. Time and time again clueless minions have posted that Michalczewski "struggled", "went life & death with", "was behind on points", or even "being beaten up" by Hall before benefiting from two "controversial stoppages". Absolute nonsense.

By 2001 Michalczewski may have been slowing down and marking up easier, but after his slow start over the first 3 rounds he won both Hall fights comfortably.

In fight 1 Michalczewski didn't get going until the 4th round after Hall tried getting too ambitious. Michalczewski didn't step up the pace like he usually did yet still controlled the fight with the best jab in the business. Hall kept trying to rally yet most of his shots landed on the arms and gloves. When Michalczewski began brutally spearing Hall's closed eye with his power jab in round 11 the ref stopped it on the advice of the ringside doctor, with Hall falling further behind with each round.

In fight 2 Michalczewski started even slower. He appeared to have had no warm up whatsoever or had little if any grease put on and let Hall tee off on him from the first bell. Michalczewski's left eye started swelling and he was cut within the first minute.

Michalczewski again gave away the first 3 rounds, then he dominated and gradually broken Hall down like he usually did. By round 6 Michalczewski's left eye was shut yet it wasn't taking any punishment, unlike Hall's right eye in fight 1. Well behind on the cards, Hall began to wilt in round 10 and Rudy Battle stopped it.

Both times Hall could've been allowed to continue a bit longer in the round imo before being stopped, though he wasn't close to winning either fight. Neither one was notably hard for Michalczewski.

Hall was an awkward southpaw, a better balanced fighter than he was vs Roid Jones, and showed heart in both Michalczewski fights yet was still a second-rater. However, judging by his comments in an interview with Boxingtalk's clueless Greg Leon after the rematch, he was completely delusional;

Exclusive Interview With Richard "The Destroyer" Hall
By Gregory Leon

ROBBED AGAIN!
HALL: "Dariusz Has To Be On Steroids!"

Boxingtalk had the opportunity to speak with a fighter that many people now consider "the uncrowned WBO light heavyweight champion of the world," Richard Hall. Richard was robbed for a second time against current title-holder Dariusz Michalczewski last Saturday night. Their first fight was controversially stopped due to cuts on Halls eyes. But many people feel that the second fight should have been stopped due to cuts that Dariusz suffered throughout the bout. In this exclusive interview Richard and I discuss last Saturday's travesty and a whole lot more. Read the full interview to see what Hall had to say.

Gregory Leon: How are you feeling Richard?

Richard Hall: I feel fine. Did you hear that Dariusz is in the hospital? Did you see how he looked? His jaw is broken.

GL: Do you feel that you whooped him even more convincingly in the rematch?

RH: YES I DID. There is no doubt about it. I went over there for a mission, and I completed my mission, but in a foreign country these things happen. The guy just landed four punches; when I held on to him, the referee said, break. I listened and broke, but the referee just stopped the fight. I don't have nothing bad to say about Rudy Battle. In one sense, I feel Rudy Battle did me a favor, because now I don't have to have any ties to my promoter. I know if I won the title there would be a lot of problems. Right now I am hoping to be free and looking forward to winning a championship in a fair fight.

GL: How come they stopped the fight because of your eyes in the first fight, but didn't stop it for Dariusz's eyes last Saturday?

RH: Well, I have no idea. No idea at all. The fight could have been stopped because of his left eye. He was bleeding like a pig from the first round on. When we were at the airport Rudy Battle said to me, I never knew you hit so hard. He even asked me if I thought he made a poor stoppage. I said, Rudy, in one sense you did me a favor and in one sense you messed up to where I was again. I am just looking at it like he did me a favor. I cannot look at it as crime anymore. I don't want to go through what I went through for this fight anymore. I have a promoter, but instead of him watching my back, he is bashing me. That's why I don't want to have anymore business with him.

GL: When do you want to fight again?

RH: I want to fight as soon as possible. As soon as I find a good promoter who is going to be behind me one hundred percent. I don't feel there is any light heavyweight that could beat me. Man I got robbed twice against one guy. I got robbed because I was fighting him in his hometown. Even though the ref was from America, he had to do what he did, because otherwise he wouldn't have left Germany. Who is the best light heavyweight? I would say that Richard Hall is the best light heavyweight in the world. I have two cuts over my eyes, but once they heal, I want to fight. Hopefully I can get a new promoter by the end of the year, because I really want to fight before the end of the year.

GL: You have fought both Roy and Dariusz. Who do you feel is the better fighter?

RH: Roy is a more skilled fighter than Michalczewski. But if I were in my best health, I would do the same thing to Roy Jones that I did to Dariusz. When I fought Roy Jones, I had twenty-three knockouts. Why did I have twenty-three knockouts? Because I don't give a damn and when I go in there I want to kill. That's my job and I am in there to get the job done. I am not in there to play around or **** around with anyone. I am in there to destroy my opponent. That is why I am the destroyer!

GL: How come you seem to have made more noise overseas than in the States?

RH: That's a good question and I don't understand that. I don't understand how the American writers, networks and promoters do not push to get me some fights over here. Right now I am the biggest thing in Europe. I am the biggest thing in Germany. Nobody sold it out the way that I did, because they all wanted to see Richard Hall. I am the best light heavyweight in the world.

GL: What did you do differently in the rematch?

RH: I did everything different. This time I didn't go over there to play. I am a guy that likes to smile, but the when the smile goes away, the meanness turns on and comes into me. I went over there with one mission, revenge, and I take revenge very seriously. It was revenge, I told him that I wanted to kill him and I did. When I say kill him, I mean in a boxing perspective. I wanted to ruin him and that's what I did. Unfortunately I didn't get the win, but I definitely looked better than I did in the first fight. I beat him much worse in the rematch.

GL: Why are these other countries so unfair?

RH: I really couldn't answer that question, but Germany and the United States have feuded for years and years. Even though, Dariusz is Polish , his promoter is German and the fight is in Germany. I would probably get disqualified if I knocked him out. They didn't want the title to leave Germany.

GL: Going into the fight, did you feel more comfortable that Rudy Battle was the referee?

RH: I am confident and comfortable in myself, you cannot trust any referee, you have to perform. I want you to put this in there; There is no human being that could take the punishment that Dariusz took without being on drugs. That guy has to be on Steroids, he has to be. My hands are hurting right now. This guy was getting hit with shots that could kill two horses. I could have knocked out a horse with some of those punches, but this guy just buckled a little, was shook up a little and then came to get more. How can a human being stand up to that punishment? He can't and that's why he is in the hospital right now.

GL: Is there anything that you would like to say to the public in closing?

RH: I want to tell the people that I did not come back to the United States with the WBO title. That was my plan, but I got robbed in the worst possible way. I am sorry that Dariusz is still in the hospital, but there is nothing that I could do, because the referee should have stopped the fight early.

GL: Thanks so much for your time Richard

RH: Thank you Greg, anytime.

It was a pleasure to conduct this interview with Richard Hall. Boxingtalk would like to wish Richard and Darius a speedy recovery. We would also like to wish Richard Hall all of the best in his future fights. Hopefully they will take place in America, where the chances of such a travesty occurring are reduced by multiples of ten.

http://boxingtalk.net/pages/leon112.htm

:nut that interview is the biggest load of feces I've ever read.

 

...continued;

Michalczewski vs Gonzalez

Another fight which esb's clueless minions often comment on yet obviously haven't even watched.

Gonzalez was a tough warrior no doubt but he didn't win this fight. He was level at best after 8 rounds, Michalczewski won 9 & 10...and was pressing the action in the last 2 without landing much, while Gonzalez did even less. It's hard to even give Gonzalez a draw. Michalczewski didn't look in good condition & was well past his prime but still boxed a relatively smart fight and looked to have equalled Marciano's record, only the curse [fix] was in. At this point Michalczewski probably still had enough to KO post-heavyweight Roid Jones. The world championship should've passed from Michalczewski to Erdei, who comfortably outpointed Gonzalez to win the title.

Note that at the same point in his career as Michalczewski, after being knocked silly by average Tarver, cherrypicking ducker Roid Jones Jr was embarrassingly dominated and KTFO (as seen in the epic Team Elite masterpiece Glass Jaws: Roid Jones, Jr) by Journeyman Plodder Johnson – a fighter who'd lost a disputed decision to Gonzalez himself.

Using reductive child-like logic based on these fallacies, Roid Jones' useless simple-minded tiny fanclub predictably come out such nonsense as;

"Roid beat Hall easily yet Michalczewski went life and death with him! Roid beat Gonzalez yet Michalczewski lost to him! Roid was completely on another level! He was unbeatable! He was superman!"

Clueless.

Muhammad Ali was the black Superman. 'ole Roid is just a black redneck. :deal

….as predicted, broke Roid again got brutally KTFO recently whilst trying to clear his tax debts.

Despite lying about wanting to box "until God tells him to stop", Roid has now been exposed as having sold himself to a wealthy Russian who bought Roid's massive debts & took over his future tax obligations in return for Roid still having to box on tacky Russian promotions, attend countless stupid media/pr engagements, and become a Russian citizen (LOL) etc - whilst Ruskie Roid believes he'll be earning billions of rubles. The trainwreck only gets better.

Hopefully HBO will now get rid off him for good. Approximately 20 years too late.

 

The funniest thing about this delusional pompous poof is that all of his nonsense & weak excuses have already been completely destroyed 2 YEARS AGO in the hilarious "How do you feel about Roy jones?" thread. His delusions were completely shattered to extent that the hopeless loser didn't even attempt to reply.

Check the thread if you want a good laugh at the useless autistic creep;

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=485287

 

The typical clueless poster right here .I mean. Trying to disrespect RJJ a highly accomplished fighter to try and elevate GGG who has never been tested and Kovalev who's biggest name to date is a 50 year old Bernard Hopkins ..This is a nationalistic poster if I ever saw one and its posters like you who are killing this forum ! You know to much about boxing :rofl gtfo your statement on RJJ GGG and Kovalev proves how much of boxing you don't know !

 

Damn Hall is delusional he didn't feel a LHW could beat him.. Accusing DM of roiding? Did he forget he was juiced to the gills when he got whipped by Roid? Haha

 

He fought a lot of outmatched opponents. Every great has.

 

Beating both prime Toney and Hopkins counts for alot. There really isn't much bigger opponents you could replace those 2 with. Having 2 ATGs in their primes on your resume is worth alot. Going up to HW and beating a legit champ is worth alot also. For me though, all I have to do is watch a few round of jones in his prime to realize and understand there isn't anyone like him and nor ever will be again most likely, and I don't believe ANYONE would have beaten him during his prime and why I rank him quite easily as ATG #1 on my list.