Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

Loudon · Jan 9, 2016

Mind Reader said: ↑

Roy was basically a CW when he fought Ruiz.
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Loudon · Jan 9, 2016

Mind Reader said: ↑

You do have a decent point though Bailey as in certain fighters do great at one weight and not so much the other. But I honestly feel Roy was much better than Enzo.
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When Roy was anywhere near his prime, he was on a different planet to Enzo. And after watching many of Enzo's interviews over the years, I think Enzo would admit that himself.

Loudon · Jan 9, 2016

teemy said: ↑

Round 3 in particular. I saw this fight on TV and he was shaking like a leaf... super jittery. I felt his fear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS2VZTE5n88
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Of course you did.

Loudon · Jan 9, 2016

BlizzyBlizz said: ↑

Thank God Enzo Mac wasn't prime. Keep Roy old in comparison. Anytime you mention prime Roy, just say that he never faced a puncher. I thank God that my **** is big because if it was little, it would be little. Bottom line. Cal > Roy.

**** off you pathetic ***** *** ****** **********!!! Lol
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bailey · Jan 10, 2016

Mind Reader said: ↑

You do have a decent point though Bailey as in certain fighters do great at one weight and not so much the other. But I honestly feel Roy was much better than Enzo.
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I was only joking about all of the Enzo Mac/Roy Jones stuff. I dont think Enzo would have beaten Roy

bailey · Jan 10, 2016

Imperial1 said: ↑

Roy was never a true CW know that ..
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I was joking about all of the Enzo Mac/Roy Jones stuff. I dont think Enzo would have beaten Roy
I was having a bit of fun with you fans on that one and thought it would be known when I said about spicing things up :yep
think Mind Reader got the joke and Loudon picked me up for it

bailey · Jan 10, 2016

BlizzyBlizz said: ↑

Thank God Enzo Mac wasn't prime. Keep Roy old in comparison. Anytime you mention prime Roy, just say that he never faced a puncher. I thank God that my **** is big because if it was little, it would be little. Bottom line. Cal > Roy.

**** off you pathetic ***** *** ****** **********!!! Lol
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Calm down, calm down
I was joking about all of the Enzo Mac/Roy Jones stuff. I dont think Enzo would have beaten Roy
I was having a bit of fun with you fans on that one and thought it would be known when I said about spicing things up :yep
think Mind Reader got the joke and Loudon picked me up for it

bailey · Jan 10, 2016

Loudon said: ↑

If Roy couldn't do anything with him at CW, why would Roy have looked like old had the fight been at LHW?

If Roy could have made LHW, it wouldn't have improved his abilities.
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Come on Loudon, you picked up that I was joking before and have now taken it all seriously
I was joking about all of the Enzo Mac/Roy Jones stuff. I dont think Enzo would have beaten Roy
I was having a bit of fun with you fans on that one and thought it would be known when I said about spicing things up
think Mind Reader got the joke and Loudon picked me up for it, but maybe Loudon was taken in after all.

As for the other post re Dawson and Tarver, that is a serious debate and I will answer when I have got through the comic posts

bailey · Jan 10, 2016

Loudon said: ↑

How am I trolling?

What's that got to do with anything?
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atsch I was joking with you.

bailey · Jan 10, 2016

Loudon said: ↑

Roy was essentially a CW fighting at HW.

He weighed about 196 pounds.

Toney was better at HW than LHW, because he could weigh what he wanted without having to struggle to make weight.

He didn't have the discipline to make LHW healthily. He was much more comfortable at CW and HW.

You can't seriously believe that Enzo would have beaten the Ruiz version of Roy at CW?

I don't believe you.
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Im glad you dont believe, cant believe you have taken me so seriously since I said about spicing things up and mentioning Enzo

bailey · Jan 10, 2016

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We can mention Dariusz, along with Nunn, Roch, Tiozzo and Maske.

None of them were levels above Tarver and Dawson.

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Dont be silly Loudon.
Do you really think those fighters would have lost to fighters like Harding and Pascal? I dont not in the slightest. Do you think any of those would have gone life and death with G Johnson because Dawson and Tarver did.
Stop trying to be silly

That's harsh. He fought who was relevant at the time. He has a good resume. You just don't give him credit because Tarver and Hopkins etc were old when they fought him. Yet you'll happily give Joe C praise for also beating an old Hopkins.

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Dawson wasnt fighting Hopkins till years after Calzaghe who was also old and end of career at that time. Dawson was a young prime fighter who was facing older fighters. When Dawson fought a couple of young prime fighters (I wont include the Ward weight drained loss) like Pascal, he was exposed and as for Tarver, you keep going on how Roy was not the same after being at HW, yet that version of Roy BEAT Tarver. Thats the level you are arguing

What, like Roch not being able to beat Seillier?

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This really is a lack of knowledge on your part. Sellier wasnt a journeyman and was a very good SMW.
I guess you have been boxrecing, but if you had watched Sellier you would know he wasnt a journeyman and was a good win for S Collins.
Come back to me if you want to be schooled on that one as well

Roy wasn't the same, but he was still a great fighter. His fight with Tarver was close. Tarver was a good fighter.

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This is where you get all confused. So now Roy coming back from HW was still a good fighter? But before dropping from HW he was not the same and in his first fight back would arguably have been at his worse atsch

Are you just going to forget that a faded Hill iced Tiozzo? Yet you think Tiozzo was levels above Tarver and Dawson? I don't think so.

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That was at CW and Tiozzo was far more effective at LHW. Dont forget that green Tiozzo gave prime Hill a very tough fight and Hill was levels above Pascal and Harding who beat Dawson and Tarver respectively

Roch drew with Seillier but he was levels above Tarver and Dawson?

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You dont know Sellier atsch, and that was SMW not LHW

Maske lost to a faded Hill, yet he was levels above Tarver and Dawson?

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How was Hill faded then? atsch That fight was debateable but you must have felt Hill was totally gone when Roy got round to fighting him all that time after, yet you site that as a good win for Roy. Oh dear Loudon, the schooling must be getting to you

One of two things is happening here:

1. You've exaggerated their abilities, but you won't back down.

2. You've had too many drinks during the festive period.

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I have given examples of how the fighters I noted are a level above and you havent given any to say how you have Dawson and Tarver rated at the same level.

I can tell you what has happened and it is not one of two things. It is just the same old typical one thing where you have entered into a debate with an opinion that you cannot back up but have just chosen to argue without a point.
When I have got through your shambles of a post I will give you just some points and watch you not be able to answer

The mistake you make on these kinds of debates, is that you look at the opponents overall resume, whilst overlooking where they were in their careers at the specific moment that's been focused upon.

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What like you commenting on Sellier?

Did Roy ever beat a more accomplished LHW than Dariusz? No, he didn't.

Does that mean that Roy doesn't hold a better win at LHW, than Tiozzo's win over Dariusz? No, it doesn't.

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Im have said its arguable and it is

Dariusz was obviously badly faded when he lost to Tiozzo in 2005. How do we know this? Because a faded Hill iced Tiozzo 5 years earlier in a single round, and we know that Dariusz was faded when he fought Gonzalez, 2 years earlier in 2003.

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Once again a weak arguement. Sure Tiozzo got beat at a heavier weight than he really was and got stopped for the only time in his career but that doesnt mean he was faded due to a loss. Look at how Stevenson was iced by a faded Boone in 2 rounds before he beat Dawson 3 years later. That was Boone with more losses than wins I would add. See how weak your arguements are now? Probably not atsch

On paper, it states that Tiozzo clearly beat a great accomplished LHW. But it doesn't account for the fact that he was faded.

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Doesnt count for the fact Tiozzo was the only fighter to get a clear and definate win either, but you left that out

So taking that into account, I'd say that Roy had a number of LHW wins that were better than Tiozzo's win.

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Overall yes Roy was at LHW title level longer than Tiozzo so would have built up a greater resume but that doesnt remove the DM win that Tiozzo has

Roy's win over Tarver was obviously better. And as above, it doesn't make any difference that Dariusz had a better LHW resume than Tarver. Because we're not comparing overall careers, we're specifically looking at Tarver from 2003, Dariusz from 2005, as well as taking into account all/any circumstances.

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So you are comparing Roys win of beating Tarver who hadnt beat anyone of real note and who had been clearly beaten by Harding to Tiozzo beating a LHW great who had won WBO WBA IBF titles made over 20 defences and had no clear defeats and you rate Roys win higher atsch
That makes no sense at all and I bet you know that

In facing Tarver, Roy was facing a much fresher fighter than himself, who was a rangy southpaw, who presented him with a big challenge stylistically. Not only that, he had to lose actual muscle to make weight. Then add in the fact that he was almost 35, it was his 50th fight, and he made history when he reclaimed the LHW titles.

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Roy was also facing a fighter who had lost to Harding and had far less pedigree. Tarver was also a similar age when you bring up ages dummy

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Right now I have cut through the waffle and please dont waffle again with your opinions and stick to facts

Tarver a fighter who had been beaten by Harding and beaten by G Johnson a fighter with many many losses.
How do you think he can be rated above Michalczewski a fighter with over 20 defences who won IBF WBA WBO titles and beat Hill, Barber, Rocchigiani at LHW to name a few.
G Johnson was fighting level with Tarver and Dawson but was losing to Harding that faded Dariusz was stopping. Got it now? This is just one point of many.
Dont worry about your opinions with the rest of the post, just stick to this below the lines
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BlizzyBlizz · Jan 10, 2016

bailey said: ↑

Calm down, calm down
I was joking about all of the Enzo Mac/Roy Jones stuff. I dont think Enzo would have beaten Roy
I was having a bit of fun with you fans on that one and thought it would be known when I said about spicing things up :yep
think Mind Reader got the joke and Loudon picked me up for it
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http://youtu.be/eHANLC9JtWI

teemy · Jan 10, 2016

He needs boxing lessons period. How to hold his hands, how to defend his head to avoid brain issues, how to position the body, how not to place his face in the way of return punches all spastically when he throws his amazing gifted type punches etc.

He looks retar-ded with the same old nonsense:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBW-CkMZVdc

I wonder how many knockouts he will ultimately accrue?

Anyone know what the record for being TKO'ed/KO'ed is for a former champion on any level? Is Jones competitive at this point?

I just hope RJJ's new line is not ultimately "I must have forgot" with all this brain punishment he is taking.

teemy · Jan 10, 2016

On the serious side, I do hope he stops fighting soon cause he is just begging for future neurological problems with these kinds of performances.

1madddasss2mack · Jan 10, 2016

10 -4 Good buddy

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