Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

Definitely overrated boxer,also do not forget steroids!!!Its unforgivable.

 

I think Roy is severely underrated/underappreciated.

Look at the best fighters today from JMW-CW.

Non of them would be favoured over the versions of Roy that fought in those weight classes.

 

Most fighters at the time would not go near Roy at the time with good reason they would get their a$s kicked.its very fashionable on this forum to say that Roy was useless China chined overrated etc .I am old enough to rember Jones at his best he was very special very few in history could match him.

 

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bailey,

You're entitled to your opinion. I was just telling you that many people considered him 'The Man' at SMW after he'd beaten Toney. I remember Nigel Benn saying that he didn't mind playing second fiddle to Roy.

Roy was also universally recognised as the best LHW in the world.

His resume was stronger than Dariusz's.

Maske fought his last fight at LHW against Hill, at the same time that Roy made his debut in the division against McCallum. Roy and Maske never had the opportunity to fight.

Tiozzo did drop back to LHW to beat Branco and Dariusz. Now I'm going to assume that the win over Dariusz is the one you're referring to when you say he arguably had a more impressive win at the weight than Roy. But if that's the case, you need to think about what you've previously typed.

You've previously typed - 'I cant think of Roy beating any better LHW's than the fighters mentioned, and dont try and say Hill because of his result with Tiozzo.'

So what do you mean by that?

If you want to give Tiozzo credit for beating Dariusz in 2005, you surely have to give credit to Hill for beating Tiozzo in 2000?

Also, Roy easily beat Gonzalez in 2001, who went onto beat Dariusz in 2003.

Let's not also forget, that Hill beat Maske less than 18 months prior to facing Roy.

What's with the atsch ?

How on earth was Tarver levels below all of the guys you've mentioned?

Let's be objective:

The guys you've mentioned were very good fighters, and Nunn was great in his prime.

The above fighters all beat each other and were all on similar levels.

A quick example:


Nunn lost to Roch.

Roch lost to Maske, Eubank and Dariusz, and he drew with Seillier. His best win was over Nunn.

Dariusz cheated to beat Roch in their first fight, and beat Hill and Roch in a rematch. He then lost to Tiozzo at the end of his career.

Maske lost to Hill, then avenged it years later in a return. His other best wins were against Roch, Barkley, Williams and Scully.

Hill beat Maske, lost to Dariusz, and then beat Tiozzo.

Tiozzo lost to Hill twice, and his best wins were against a faded McCallum, Lucas, Branco, and Dariusz in Dariusz's final fight.


Again, I respect all of them. But explain to me how Tarver was LEVELS BELOW?

It's complete nonsense. You can't say he was levels below a faded Nunn, and Roch and Tiozzo etc

Yes, Tarver lost to Harding and Johnson. But he also beat Harding, Johnson and Roy, as well as the likes of Griffin and Reggie Johnson.

Again, how can he not belong in the same company as the guys you've mentioned?

He wasn't slow. Where've you got that from?

Yes, he also lost to Hopkins easy and to Dawson. But he was older then and you have to factor in the weight loss against Hopkins. We've discussed this before. Mackie Shilstone who helped Bernard to prepare for Tarver, said that he expected Tarver to be flat after his dramatic weight loss after his role in Rocky. Tarver swears that he was devoid of energy in the ring. Now that could have been sour gr*pes because his ego had taken a hit. But on the other hand, it's certainly something to think about, if you take on board Mackie's comments and you take into account the struggles that Roy, Chris Byrd and Chad Dawson went through when they also dropped weight.

Finally, in my opinion, Chad Dawson also belongs in the same company as Roch, Maske, Tiozzo, Hill, Dariusz and Nunn.


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He said Reggie Johnson and he meant it. It makes no sense for him to bring up Joe C

In that same Glove off talk Jones puts all of the blame on ****** for the Jones-Collins fight not happening at smw, which of course is another lie.

That's not true. Jones had no intention of fighting Collins and he admitted it before he faced Calzaghe.

https://ewanmackenna.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/i-didnt-expect-a-white-ass-motherfker-in-here/

1 Dibella didn't want the fight but he said he was prepared to take it
2 Collins was interested in Dibella's proposal which is why he was supposed to fight on the same card as Calzaghe -Thornberry and then fight Calzaghe after that

He was the no 2 ranked smw under Jonesd

Eubank wasn't faded. He had just turned in a career best performance against Wharton before he faced Collins

Post Toney the only case you could make would be for Tarver and thats about it.

 

Some good convo in here

 

Roy Jones was the Undisputed Light Heavyweight World Champion and he was the Heavyweight World Champion when he beat John Ruiz. Besides, he was the MW World Champion who could become the HW World Champion.

No need for the argument about his greatness.

BTW, just look at the Poll dude!

 

I could see RJJ beating Briggs in 1998.

 

general zod,

How did it make no sense to mention to Joe, when like you say, Collins was initially interested in fighting Joe in the hope of landing Roy?

Two years ago, you showed me links where Roy had given Stanley Levin the green light to discuss a Collins fight, after Collins had gotten in the ring with him after the Ricky Frazier fight. Reading between the lines, it seems that Mura Muhammad talked Roy out of taking the fight to instead pursue a unification with Reggie Johnson. Which in turn p*ssed Levin off and made him look bad. And I agreed with you that Roy was completely out of order for doing that.

That's right. And that's when Eastman dropped him in sparring wasn't it? After speaking with his trainer, he decided to call it a day.

Was he?

Frankie was the WBA champ, and Nardiello was the WBC champ after he'd beaten Malinga, who himself had beaten Benn before Collins did.

Collins only held the lightly regarded WBO belt that he'd taken from Eubank.

We both know that Eubank had slipped after Watson. You've mentioned it before.

Has your opinion on Collins changed? You once said that he was in the right place at the right time, and that Eubank had no business losing to a guy like that.

 

Of course.

Bailey's here.

 

The bottom line is if you dont regard prime roy jones as one of the best fighters that have ever been in a boxing ring your opinions not worth listening to. Its the age old case of this guys clearly better than everybody else we ll spend our life bringing him down. Same happens with ali, prime tyson for how many years his short prime lasted. These were all greats at one point no question about it. For however long it lasted. But roy jones was unbelievable in his prime. The real truth was no one fancied the job. It was an almost guaranteed loss for anyone at the time. As good as benn. Eubank etc were they d have little chance against roy. Most wouldnt even know how to go about beating him. Thats the truth. The roy that lost too tarver was a very different to prime roy jones. No point listening to people that will tell you how many different reasons why it was but he just met his match. They can talk about it all day but it still wont be the truth. The only guy imo that would have maybe had a chance to beat prime roy would have been mcclellan. Just purely on power alone. Again cant see it happening.