Finally scored Hopkins Jones, surprisingly one sided, Hopkins did nothing

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Round 1: Jones 10-9
    Round 2: Jones 10-9
    Round 3: Jones 10-9
    Round 4: Jones 10-9
    Round 5: Jones 10-9
    Round 6: Jones 10-9
    Round 7: Jones 10-9
    Round 8: Hopkins 10-9
    Round 9: Jones 10-9
    Round 10: Jones 10-9
    Round 11: Jones 10-9
    Round 12: Jones 10-9

    Jones 119-109

    2nd time I watched the fight, first time was about 3-4 years ago. What a stinker, but I wanted to score this fight after hearing people say that Hopkins made it a close fight.

    Completely uncompetitive fight. Hopkins did nothing. He just didn't initiate any offense. He just threw the left jab out there with his reach advantage, but never committed to it, he only wanted to avoid Jones' incoming fire.

    I gave Hopkins round 8 because of that instance where he landed the 2 right hands back to back.
     
  2. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I totally agree. Both on the score, and the fact that the fight was a stinker. Mostly because Hopkins just fought to not get knocked out.
     
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  3. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    How much do you think Hopkins’ performance was down to him being relatively green at that point or just that Jones was flat out better?

    I mean, Hopkins would go on to become an all-time great middleweight and he deserves that distinction for his 10 year run from ‘95 to ‘05... but H2H I think he’d have had plenty of trouble against many of the early 90s middles even at his very best.
     
  4. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I never saw the fight as a competitive 8-4 type of fight like the judges did and a lot of people say it was.

    I've watched it and at best can give Hopkins 3 rounds but if I'm being honest it's probably just a couple. He did nothing except fall ridiculously short with a pawing jab and fight at a tentative distance and pace throughout the fight. Jones didn't do a lot either but at least he targeted the body, landed some nice right leads and countered well off the ropes.

    The fight was a disappointment then and really aside from the significance associated with the fight because of who was fighting, what they would both later achieve and the fact it was both guys first title shot, it was a real non event as a spectacle.
     
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  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    It's a good question tho, was the result due to Hopkins inexperienced and perhaps in awe of Jones, or Roy just being head and shoulders above anyone else at the time?
     
  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The latter. A year later he'd run rings round a peak Toney, and in between he'd absolutely destroy Malinga and Tate in a way no one else ever did. In fact, Hopkin's performance looks good in a weird way if you factor in how he destroyed or outclassed everyone else during those years.
     
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  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Jones had such otherworldly talent that winning 3 rounds off him was an accomplishment. No joke. I remember Roy landing his signature lefthook right on Hops button. Bernard took it and smiled. That impressed me.
     
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  8. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Yes exactly. And no one whatsoever would have predicted that Hopkins would go on to be a record making middle weight champion. Strange how boxing plays out sometimes.
     
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  9. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins was considered one of the biggest punchers in the division at the time, he always struck me as a proper boxer puncher in his younger years, but he hardly laid a glove on Jones all fight. Obviously Hopkins improved a lot after this fight, but I think him, as well as Toney, had the complete wrong style to trouble Jones and would have always suffered the same kind of fate against a prime Jones
     
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  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I have a theory about technical fighters and what they do when they are physically outgunned. When a well schooled fighter finds himself physically overmatched in the ring either through speed or size differential they can either use their skills and fight negatively to ride out a stinker decision loss. Or they can refuse to yield and go out on their shield which usually leads to them getting violently KO'ed.

    Hopkins was the better technician than Jones and so was Toney too. But they were just too far outgunned and physically overmatched. So instead of fighting to win the fight, they just fought to not get knocked out. They ended fighting a completely negative bout and rode out a lopsided decision loss where not much happened. They just refused to initiate offense. Another example is Loma-Rigo. Both master technicians, but Rigo was totally outgunned by the speed and size of Loma. So instead of going out on his shield he fought negatively as possible and refused to initiate offense. He later quit anyways, but he weaseled out with all his faculties in tact.

    On the other hand we have instances where the superior technician is physically outgunned, but instead of yielding he goes down swinging. A good example is Duran-Hearns. Obviously Duran is the superior technician, but the speed, power and size of Hearns was too much. It was like Duran had too much pride to just clinch, run away and potshot his way to a shutout loss. Before the knockout he laid on the ropes almost as if to say, I have nothing for you, just finish me off right here with dignity.

    Barrera was the same way with his fight with Pacquiao. Even though MAB was the superior technician, he was physically outgunned by Pacquiao. The Filipino was just too fast and Barrera didn't have the power to get him to back off. If you recall in the 3rd round Pacquiao scored a flash knockdown with a blazing fast straight left. Barrera went down unhurt, but had a look on his eye before rising to beat the count. The look said it all, his eyes conveyed I can't beat this man, he's just too fast, what can I do, I just can't handle the speed. Barrera refused to yield the fight though and fought to win instead to survive, which is he got knocked out and brutalized. In the rematch a older Barrera survived, but a prime or close to Barrera couldn't survive. Why is that? Because in the rematch Barrera just chose to survive.

    Last example is Pryor-Arguello. Clearly the better technician is Arguello, but he was outgunned by Pryor's speed, size, workrate and toughness. If you recall later in the fight Arguello landed a massive, flush straight right hand that Pryor just walked through astonishingly with ease. Nobody and I mean nobody walks through Arguello like that except Pryor. It was at this point that the fight became a foregone conclusion, Pryor was going to walk through him and finish him off with a violent KO.

    Hopkins chose to survive and not win the fight. You could say that a shutout loss or a 11 rounds to 1 loss is far less honorable than a brutal KO loss. Because many times when a fighter loses that lopsided it's because they just fought to survive with negative tactics. But getting knocked out viciously is a sign your ambition to win the fight, your refusal to yield, even in the face of a physically superior opponent.

    My 2 cents.
     
  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hopkins performance doesnt look good. It looked tentative and cowardly. Instead of refusing to yield and place himself in harms way and risk himself getting knocked out he rode out a surefire decision loss by fighting negatively to survive.
     
  12. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think schooling is the wrong word, but I totally agree with your sentiments about how uncompetitive it was.

    To be schooled you have to actually show up to class. You have put yourself out there and take risks.

    Hopkins didnt show up. He was absent. He was physically in the ring that night, but all he did was run away and huge Roy Jones.
     
  13. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tremendous post tinman and completely spot on. You could add Tua's loss to Lennox Lewis to that list as well. Sure it looks good on paper that he took an ATG like Lennox the distance but the fact is he ceased trying to win by round two and was content to get beaten but survive. It wasn't a performance that he should get any props for.
     
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  14. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The latter.

    Jones was just too fast for Hopkins and Toney.
     
  15. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was there live at RFK.

    Jones baffled Hopkins with his hand and foot speed. Hopkins couldn't get his offense untracked. He was made to worry about Jone's punches and did a pretty good job defending himself. I didn't think it was as close as the judges scored it.
     
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