Finkel rules out AJ/Wilder this year

Ok looking up his box rec . Holmes , Tangsted , Cooney then Tyson in 4 years . Yes I still stand by what I stated Tangsted and Cooney over Bruno ??? . 5 defenses losing the 5th to Tyson more than 2 defenses as you claim . Whyte isn't a bum , Fury I do not have a lot of respect for because he throws everything away , Wilder I personally do like I just hate the fact that we will never see AJ v Wilder for undisputed and I'm not surprised at that .

 

cooney wasn't a title fight. far bigger money fight than bruno though. like i said, he got stripped for fighting cooney. tyson won the title in '87 versus tony tucker.

 

tyson became undisputed august 1 1987 by beating tony tucker.

 

Yep , again two Americans . I'm telling you when Bruno was dangerous and at his best they US wanted no part of him . His reign would of been short as anyway no denying that Bruno had problems , stamina being the main . Nevertheless when it comes to titles the US does not like losing and having no titles they view this as some personal insult to their status . Remember Lewis Grant . I'm purely talking about the US boxing establishment not the general population .

 

tyson the beat tyrell biggs, larry holmes and tony tubbs whilst undisputed, before beating spinks then bruno.

 

No , Tyson became undisputed 1988 June 27th by defeating Michael Spinks . Tyson won the Ring Belt and lineal HW by defeating Spinks .

I honestly do not consider Lineal a genuine title and think it's pretty stupid that is my opinion but for some reason people think Fury is a lineal champion .

 

three american fighters ko'd bruno in the years you describe. good thing they wanted none of bruno. spinks only had two title defenses. tyson was undisputed for three fights before fighting spinks. man i thought you looked at boxrec.

 

whatever. ask someone else. i am going to bed. read tysons wikipedia page or something.

 

ring and lineal mean squat.

 

I'm not just having a pop at Wilder, Fury also deserves a lot of stick.

Fury is doing what exactly? What title or big fight is Fury now aiming for?

None, he was offered Wilder again, it was even mandated and he walked away.

Fury didn't push for AJ, he made a few noises and then he has walked off to start "The Fury Show" where he can fight bang average fighters and crack jokes at pressers and be centre of attention in his own little bubble.

Take Klitschko in Germany off Furys record and it isn't all that, to be honest the Klitschko fight was so poor that could be scrubbed anyway.

His record is a Draw with Wilder and Chisora twice. That's Furys record, a fat disinterested Chisora twice and a Draw with Wilder who is rather suspect around the whiskers and can't box.

Fury is talented but he isn't entertaining (one fight, maybe 3 entertaining rounds with Wilder isn't enough) and hasn't fought enough top fighters.

But he walks around claiming to be the "Lineal Champion", that's Furys claim to fame, he hasn't come back and grabbed the division by the throat, he took a gamble, went to the US because he believe he could outbox Wilder because even fighters like Szpilka outboxed Wilder for large parts.

Fury can't come back and after 3 fights be at world title level and then go backwards without being questioned, it's unacceptable because of the crap he talks.

"Fighting man" my Cobblers, going from a draw with Wilder fighting for the WBC title and then Tom Schwartz is a joke.

Fury is just as bad as Wilder in my opinion.

 

What the hell are you looking at? between 85-88 Bruno only lost to Witherspoon . He lost once previous to Smith in May 84 and then loss to Tyson in 89 . Yes Tyson was Undisputed which is a paradox in of itself when he had to beat Spinks to become lineal , man I thought you knew what lineal mean't .

 

I agree .

 

Yep , before claiming lineal he was running around still calling himself the Ring Champion and saying the ring belt was the only one that mattered , before Ring magazine said no more Ring belt .

 

But Bruno faced Spoon (US HW) in mid 80's in Britain and got knocked out fair and square. Spoon was more deserving lineal title shot than Bruno, but he never got it against Spinks.

 

Yeah LOL

Fury was stripped and he failed drug tests, something that seems to be forgotten about, if AJ just happened to pop up failing a drug test he would never be allowed to forget about it (Wilder too) but Fury seems to get a pass.

Can we even take his win against Klitschko as legitimate considering he failed drug tests afterwards? Or his wins against Chisora? How long was he taking banned substances for? Did he only just start eating "Wild Boar"?

Surely Furys career has to have a cloud over it?

Nope, he gets a pass.

Fury gets a pass because he had/has mental health issues, he tells a great story, can be funny and he has garnered some sympathy for his situation and circumstances. People love an underdog or comeback story.

Fury and his Team took a very clever calculated gamble fighting Wilder and it nearly paid off, very very close and it was a very smart move.

Fury couldn't really lose, if he lost against Wilder then everybody would have pointed to his long absence and problems, claimed it wasn't the Fury of old and he needed more time but if he won Fury would have completed one of the greatest comebacks in recent memory.

Fury has gone from challenging for the WBC title and getting a Draw to walking away from Wilder and ignoring any serious conversations involving AJ and is fighting Tom Schwartz, if Wilder fought Schwartz he would be getting hammered by everybody so how can Fury who is regarded to be in the top 3 Heavyweights on the planet get no backlash?

Fury has ducked Wilder and is ducking Joshua, he can't be taken seriously at this moment in time and should be getting slaughtered just like others have in the past.