first fighter to use shoulder roll???

willie pep
jersey joe
sugar ray robinson

I have no idea ... a dangerous tool to have though ...

 

willie pep was a master at it ... he was so ahead of his time ... this guy wouldve been amazing in this era.

 

Dude, David may try to use it, but he does not master it like Mayweather or Toney. I wouldn't even say he uses it, because the times I've seen him use it, it's been an odd move from his side, ineffective, sloppy.. hes not a natural defensive fighter.

 

you want to see masters of it take a look in the archives ... i'm pretty sure bert sugar can tell us where it came from.

mayweather is the mordern day master, then Toney, then B-hop

 

:rofl :rofl :rofl

 

True, Pep is a top ten all-time great. He did invent the shoulder-roll but he also hammered guys unlike so many who now use the roll.

 

brilliant:good

 

exactly it's hard to say. we see a load of old school fighter putting there right arm up and there left hand crossed across there body and then roll there shoulders.

but that doesnt generally mena that was a shoulder roll.


i personally feel that loche was the master of it. he may not be the originator but he needed a defence that had low stamina cost and i felt he "refined" it


this is the thing about how new school fighters will beat old school fighter is becuase generation after generation the moves and techniques have been refined and improved to go by the rules and to use disadvantages as an advantage type mentality.

 

his back foot is his defence

 

the first caveman to be standing sideways while getting punched.

 

:rofl :rofl :rofl

"its so easy a caveman could do it"

 

awesome :good