Fischer: "Dawson Would Beat Calzaghe, Calzaghe/Johnson Is An Even Fight"

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by san rafael, Nov 12, 2008.


  1. Danny

    Danny Guest

    Calzaghe knows himself that the hunger & desire to train & prepare for a bout is not at the level it once was. Once this happens, its a dangerous game to carry on. I believe the hunger aspect has waned since he beat Kessler.

    Calzaghe will most probably retire. I can't see him facing Dawson, because Chad is young, hungry, enthusiastic about boxing. Quite the opposite to what Joe probably is at this stage of his career!
     
  2. DINAMITA

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    I agree with the first point.

    For me, Calzaghe has only ever looked like a great fighter for half of one fight in his entire career - the second half of the Kessler fight. This is the only instance in his career where he has looked great against great opposition - the acid test of the great fighter. But half of one fight in an entire career is nowhere near enough to justify being called a "great" fighter.

    The zero fools casual fans, and always will.

    Ricky Hatton won a lww title, and immediately began chasing a fight with the world p4p#1, since the world p4p#1 was in the division above him at the time. Hatton went to the USA, Hatton went up to the world p4p#1's division, Hatton called out the world p4p#1 publicly, and Hatton made a concrete financial offer to the world p4p#1. He got the fight around 2 years after winning his 1st world title, and he lost. He lost to one of the most skilled fighters in recent history at a weight he was not comfortable at. He lost his zero chasing glory and greatness.

    Joe Calzaghe won a smw title, at the same time the world p4p#1 was in the division above him. He never went to the USA, he never fought in the world p4p#1's division or won a title there to pressure the world p4p#1, he never publicly called out nor made a concrete financial offer to the world p4p#1... in SIX YEARS!!!!! (Jones was in the division above Calzaghe 1997-2003 when he moved to hw) Calzaghe kept his zero intact by staying at home, beating nobodies, and choosing NOT to chase glory and greatness.

    And yet Calzaghe is viewed as the true great and Hatton is not. I think this is wrong. Calzaghe is a carefully calculating opportunist and a pretty effective fighter. But that's all.



    However, I think he would beat Dawson and Johnson. The only man out there to take Calzaghe's treasured zero is B-Hop. But there's no way Calzaghe goes there again. So he will escape into retirement with the zero probably. But that resume won't stand the test of time, so the success of all his calculating is ultimately both temporary and limited.
     
  3. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    jesus christ how many times do we have to go through this.

    Chad Dawson for all his excellent attributes doesnt have the adaptability or variety to deal with someone with a multi-faceted approach like Calzaghe.

    Can a Chad Dawson supporter here tell me what Chad will do once Calzaghe adapts ?

    Can Chad counter-adapt ? Because he didnt against Johnson; he lost a string of rounds.

    This isnt about being too big, too strong, too fast. Calzaghe would have lost half his fights if it was down to that. Its about the brilliant boxing intelligence that Calzaghe posesses.

    My guess is Calzaghe will lose the first 2 rounds, then counter-punch all night long to a big decision.
     
  4. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    I'll repost this for your benefit even though it's right here in this thread:

     
  5. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Quality advice.
     
  6. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    What's the basis in reality for that?
     
  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Probably because he got buzzed by Johnson and seemed to go rapidly downhill from his fightplan.

    This after dominating the first half of the fight with his movement and jab.
     
  8. BENNY BLANCO

    BENNY BLANCO R.I.P. Brooklyn1550 Full Member

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    Some here have read my thoughts on this fight before but I'll repost it again. I think a Calzaghe/Dawson would favor Calzaghe because Dawson has a habit of taking breaks in rounds he is winning and trying to conserve energy but Calzaghe always fights for pretty much every second of the round so Dawson won't have the luxury of taking a breather especially against someone like Calzaghe whos gameplan is to make you fight at a faster pace than your normally use to, so I see Joe winning a close but clear UD.
     
  9. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    :huh ^

    When was the last time you watched this fight, TFFP? Is this a fantasy version of events? How did he seem "to go rapidly downhill from his fightplan" exactly? I just put on the 10th round randomly for a little bit and there is Dawson, jabbing, throwing combinations to the body, making Johnson akwardly miss, up on his toes, looking brilliant. Do you not recall how much guts and focus Dawson showed in this fight, holding on after he was hurt several times in one of his first and primary tests? He may have gone in and out of focus a few times, but that can happen when you're - as you said; "buzzed" from damage, no?

    I'm looking here at the fight itself.
     
  10. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    That's solid. ^ Good post.

    Calzaghe's punch resistance at 175 would be a concern for me in facing a solid/dynamic/consistent hitter like Dawson. Not just the knockdowns, but the average powershots from Jones and Hopkins stopped Calzaghe in his tracks. The main issue being neither Jones nor Hopkins put consistent/sustained volume of damage on Calzaghe - but the few combinations that did land visibly shook up Calzaghe virtually every time. That slows down Calzaghe's volume considerably.

    Other problems for Calzaghe would be Dawson's constant movement (much in the same way Hopkins troubled Calzaghe), Dawson's timing and speed (much in the way Jones and Kessler troubled Calzaghe), and Calzaghe's lack of punching power (you have to be able to crack to get Dawson's attention).
     
  11. The_Hitman92

    The_Hitman92 EST & Registered 2008 Full Member

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    Put Dawson in the ring with Joe and I guarentee you he would be outclassed. I don't think Joe has to fight him at all, Dawson for me is just the name being banded around in the USA that Joe 'has' to fight him otherwise he wont have cemented his legacy. How that makes sence I dont know, Dawson's resume isn't even that good and I'm not overall impressed with him. He has power yes but Calzaghe can take a punch, he's proven this time and time again. Ok so he has been down a few times, but he's always been one to get back up. Calzaghe would wear him down, taking the fight by a wide UD, even though I don't believe its a fight he doesn't have to take at all.
     
  12. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dawson KO 1 Calzaghe. Dawson would put him down for good in the 1st round. B Hop and RJJ didnt try to finish him off but the kid would.
     
  13. BENNY BLANCO

    BENNY BLANCO R.I.P. Brooklyn1550 Full Member

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    It defitnely would'nt surprise me if Dawson were to win this fight because he can knockdown Calzaghe and has the handspeed to match, and I don't believe either fighter has fought someone with true handspeed, so it would be new territory for both fighter to try to adapt to but if we are counting on who is going to adapt first that would obviously favor Calzaghe.
     
  14. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    calzaghe beats them both
     
  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Joe Calzaghe, like Wlad Klitschko, gets dumped on so much, and is given so little respect, that I'm finding myself rooting for both of them every time out, partly for that reason.