Fitzsimmons Dislocated His Thumb In1st Rd v Corbett

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  1. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is really good footage. Certainly the best i have ever seen.

    This probably has to be the most unorthodox World Heavyweight title fight i have seen.

    I dont think there are any clones (during their time or after) of either of these styles. Quite amazing when you consider how highly rated they all were at the time (by contemporaries) and how many people bragged on how fitz taught them to punch.
     
  2. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Certainly nothing close to Fitzsimmons before or since. Corbett at least had some semi-comparable successors (Jack O'Brien for example), but Fitz is clearly one of kind.

    That's why I don't get it why people use him as the proof of how bad boxing was during this era and I don't understand why people call him crude. He wasn't crude at all - he was doing some odd things because it worked for him.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Fitz doesn't look crude in the Lang fight, and he was 46 when that one happened. To a point the clearer the film, the better the person looks.
     
  4. roughdiamond

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    I hope someone tries using those HQ AI upscalers on these old videos. I'd love to see the results.
     
  5. 70sFan865

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    In two rounds I've seen, he doesn't look crude but he looks tired and old.
     
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  6. mcvey

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    His hands were shot before the 2nd Jeffries fight.
     
  7. Mendoza

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    No they were not. Early Ko's over Sharkey and Ruhlin prior to the re-match with Jeffries prove Fitz hands were good enough to deliver his thunder.

    Post Jeffries 2, Fitz killed a man in the ring, floored a good Gardiner 3 times, and had Jack O'brien out.
     
  8. 70sFan865

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    To be honest, his hands were in poor condition in Gardner and O'Brien fights. It's the reason why he couldn't stop Gardner.
     
  9. Boilermaker

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    i would have to relook at O Brien, but i dont remember him being similar to Corbett. Corbett inentionally seems to fight with hands down at his knees almost presumably to get balance as he circles with great footwork and to throw a looping 'jab', like i havent seen before. He also seems to wrist punch more than any fighter on film. I think he is as one of a kind as Fitz.I don t think anyone replicated the style.

    Fitz has great punching technique, but his stance and movement is as unconventional as it gets, certainly his stomack looks so open to me, and he might be a sucker for the famous Jack Dempsey shot to the balls attack some think he used on Jack Sharkey.
     
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  10. mcvey

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    Plain ignorance! Fitz fought them 2 years BEFORE Jeffries finally got around to re-matching him .
    Fitzsimmons was plagued with bad hands throughout his later years ,anyone who has read up on him,[not you,] knows this.He routinely asked permission to wrap extra layers of gauze on his hands in fights,there is a detailed passage in Pollack's excellent Fitzsimmons book describing this, as well as several quotes from Fitz referring to his damaged hands.But you wouldn't know this because you haven't read it,nor the Johnson or Jeffries books,but you still like to pontificate about matters on which you are ignorant.
     
  11. mcvey

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    He finished the Gardner fight with his shoes full of blood.
     
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  12. 70sFan865

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    One thing is sure - Fitzsimmons would punish Dempsey for a low blow!
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Johnson named Fitzsimmons as the greatest heavyweight before him,and I would agree with that.Okay he could not concede 12 years , a ton of weight and two years inactivity to Jeffries, but his accomplishments are superior imo.
    He beat Sharkey ,Corbett, Ruhlin ,and Choynski much more emphatically than Jeffries did and he had no advantages in weight or age.One of kind!
     
  14. Mike Cannon

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    Hardly Hagler/Hearns !!!!