Fitzsimmons gave up 39lb to Jeffries. Langford only gave up 29lb to Johnson

Um, it was a re-match that Jeffries offered. 2 years is not too long to wait for a re-match. Fitz earned it.

BY the way the wait was less than two years for Fitz after he Ko'd Sharkey if you want to be factually correct.

By the way how long did Langford, Jeannette, or McVey have to wait for a shot at Jack Johnson lineal title?

But this re-match stuff is something not all champions gave.

Did Ali re-match Foreman?

Did Lennox Lewis RE-match Klitschko?

Did Holmes re-match Witherpsoon?

I could list numerous more. Most will get my point even if you don't

 

No he didn't offer it ,he was put on the spot at ringside after Fitz ko'd Sharkey and he waited two years before he honoured it. You need to seriously read up on the subject because you are way off here.

Johnson beat Jeannette and McVey convincingly multiple times. there was no compelling basis for him defending against them or Langford based on their past performances against him. ..Its a totally different situation anyway
A challenger takes the title off a champion the now ex champion kos the other two standout challengers inside of two weeks and begs for a title fight while still in the ring after koing the second of them on August 24th 1900. But he doesn't get it until 25th of July 1902.

I make that near enough two years even if you don't. I've already stated that Fitz failed to rematch Corbett and said why I get it and I get why Jeffries instead of rematching Fitz when he was the outstanding contender in1900 waited 2years, until he was nearly 40 before he did so

.Insted he fought Hank Griffin, Joe Kennedy,[his sparring partner] and Gus Ruhlin whom Fitz had half killed in 1900, 15 months earlier.
Now go away and do some research, and come back when you know what the f*ck you are talking about[that will be never then].

 

Mcvey,

First off Fitz was knock out cold and behind on points when it happened in the first fight. It wasn’t like he had a good showing. There was no controversy for the re-match.

Secondly Jeffries did in fact give him the re-match less than 2 years after Fitz proved he was the #1 contender. This is not too long to wait.

Furthermore Fitzsimmons wasn’t an easy man to negotiate with. Ruhlin who got a re-match in 1901 was partly do to him drawing with a very green Jeffries. And Jeffries finished Ruhlin one round sooner than Fitz.

Whatever else you say isn’t worth reading. And nothing you write can excuse numerous champions from not giving re-matches to opponents.

Jeffries in fact did offer them. In terms of champions offering re-matches to the top talents he faced and defeated, Jeffries is way up there, next to Louis. He gave three hall of fame fighters re-matches in his title fights.

Ali was in re-matches but he lost the first one at times. A winning champion offering a re-match has more value as his risks his title. So who aside from Joe Louis offered more re-matches on ranked opponents he had already beaten? You won't be able to come up with many names, perhaps ZERO. :deal

Your wife beating, attacking sickly 120-man idol was the king of skirting re-matches to Langford, Jeannette and Mcvey as lineal champion. And it really bothers you, which is why I’m saying it again.

 

In 1900 Fitzsimmons kod both the other leading contenders inside two weeks. ,leaving him as the standout challenger for his old title. There is no argument about that.

Now to your next accusation.
Johnson ,when he was champion twice signed to fight Jeannette for the McMahon brothers, both times the defences were vetoed by your government, it's a matter of public record and I've posted the newspapers accounts several times.
.Johnson agreed to fight both Langford and McVey in Australia for Hugh D McIntosh, but when news of Johnson's court case
and his subsequent jumping of bail, broke in Australia McIntosh withdrew his offer.

This is also well documented and Adam covers it in his excellent second volume on Johnson.


Johnson had agreed to fight Langford in the Uk should he beat Burns the purse for doing so was £3000.

Once Johnson had beaten Burns and after taking a pittance for the chance to do so ,[whereas Burns demanded and received $30,000] Johnson then declared he wanted $30,000 as his going rate to defend his title against any comers.

Johnson many times stated his position in print and I've posted several articles proving it.

You could argue Johnson should have kept his word.

You could equally argue that Peggy Bettinson's offer of a derisory £3000 was cheap-skate tactics on the part of the Chairman/Promoter of the NSC.
Bettinson was infamous for his parsimonius offers to boxers .

You could also argue that Jeffries should have paid his gambling debts instead of reneging on them.
Johnson at least had the semblance of an excuse in that he was in a tight spot and Bettinson ,representing the NSC took advantage of the situation. But boxers morals do not overly concern me I'm interested in their talent.


1. Ruhlin was just as green as Jeffries.


2.Jeffries did not ko Ruhlin he retired between rounds whereas Fitz had previously beaten him so badly he was unable to leave MSG that night and a cot had to be made up for him,he was visited by a doctor that evening ,and the following morning
was transported to his managers house to recuperate.

When the two men re-enacted their fight, because the camera had failed to capture it on film,[something you refused to accept as fact BTW.]

Ruhlin had to have the services of a make -up artist to cover his facial injuries.

No charge for the history lesson.:deal

GAME SET & MATCH!:good

 

Everything that I have seen, suggests that Jeffries put a viable offer on the table, and Fitz refused to accept the terms.

I am a little baffled that he did this, but it seems to be the case.

 

You need to read Fitz's biography.

 

McVey,

Where do you say that Hank Griffin rates during this time period?

Looking at boxrec he seems to have Drawn twice with Jack Johnson and beat him once. He also beat and drew with Munro (who Jeffries fought) and Kennedy. But he lost to Russell, who himself had been beaten by Maher, McCoy, Sharkey, martin and others.

Where would Griffin (who jeffries beat on debut!) rank in relation to the best coloured fighters of the day. Ahead of johnson, i would have thought?

 

I haven't really studied on it. Johnson in later years said Griffin was one of the toughest men he fought.

In 1909 Jack Johnson proclaimed this one "of the hardest battles and one which I consider of the best in my career in the prize ring." Spokane Press

I'll have to refer to Adam's first volume of Johnson.
Jeffries had at least 2 fights prior to the Griffin one against Lorraine and Long.

1901-09-24 : James J. Jeffries beat Joe Kennedy by KO at 2:00 in round 2 of 4

• Location: Reliance A.C., Oakland, California, USA
• Referee: Eddie Smith

• When Jeffries was champion, it was generally believed that a true championship contest must be scheduled for at least 20 rounds.
• It was reported that "Jeffries looked in fine shape" and "Kennedy was in fair shape, but fat."
• In the first round, Kennedy didn't run but stood and fought. Jeffries landed some hard body shots and Kennedy landed a number of good jabs. In the second round, Jeffries backed Kennedy to the ropes and knocked him out with a left hook.

JEFFRIES MEETS KENNEDY NEXT (San Francisco Call - Sept 23, 1901)
The second in the series of boxing contests between James J. Jeffries, the champion of the world, and heavyweights of lesser importance will be decided at the Reliance Club, Oakland, tomorrow night. Joe Kennedy will be the big fellow's opponent.
When Jeffries signed for his fight with (Gus) Ruhlin, it was with the understanding that he might engage in a series of four-round contests with aspiring pugilists who wanted the privilege of standing up before the champion of the world. These contests were limited to four rounds each and Jeffries said he would meet a few candidates for ring honors and would endeavor to stop them in four rounds (or forfeit $100).
Under this agreement, Jeffries met "Hank" Griffin in Los Angeles last week. He failed to stop him in the stipulated time. As Kennedy is a clever boxer, it will require aggressive work on the part of Jeffries to make him stop.

 

Perhaps you need to read Jeffries biography?

 

Perhaps I do.

 

Obviously you have to read the books that interest you the most, but I think that Adams biography of Jeffries, would give you a different angle on a lot of issues.

 

Always willing to learn J:good