Fitzsimmons vs NP Dempsey

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Reading about this fight and this is a very overlooked win.

    Nonpareil Dempsey was thought to be well - Nonpareil, at the time and regarded by some as the Greatest boxer that had ever lived. It was unimaginable that he could be beaten, especially by a young ginger from Australia.

    Fitzsimmons had had a few fights and beaten a few good fighters and came over to america and registered afew wins to let him known to american audiences before challenging Dempsey. He was still somewhat unknown and not regarded highly at all. One of Fitzsimmons many biographers Dale Webb claims this fight to be akin to someone coming from a British gym and challenging Mike Tyson (this quote was around the early 90s).

    Now Fitzsimmons really gave Dempsey a hiding and battered the great fighter and KO'd him. Surely this win is overlooked when regarding great wins?

    Also can anyone tell me about the actual fight, can find plenty pre fight stuff but no fight reports.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It was a hiding, basically, a one-sided thrashing.
     
  3. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    What I thought.

    So a complete domination over arguably the best fighter that had ever lived up till that point, no a half bad win.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Dempsey was past his best though. I have fight reports for this one somewhere, i'll maybe dig some bits and bobs out tomorrow, remind me if I forget.
     
  5. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Nice one. Dempsey was past his best but he was still a very good operater and still probably the best fighter in boxing at that time. Would have been interesting if Jim Hall had gotten a shot at NP before Fitz t see how there bout would have played out.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    "Dempsey was never really in the fight. Fitzsimmons punished him from start to finish and in the fourth round Dempsey began to bleed and became groggy. Notwithstanding the fact that he was known to be and appeared to be overdrawn, Fitzsimmons fought magnificently, and so did Dempsey...Dempsey was licked from the start but he tried his best...

    In the tenth round Fitzsimmons picked him up after having knocked him down and said, "Jack, you are whipped, I can't hit you." Dempsey insisted upon fighting."


    - St Paul Daily Globe
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    From The San Fransisco Morning Call,before the fight:

    "Dempsey's friends think for the first time there is a prospect of his defeat...what makes Dempsey's friends afraid is the belief that the "Nonapareil" is not the man he once was. His defeat by LaBlanche, whilst undoubtedly an accident, has nevertheless shaken confidence in Dempsey a little."
     
  8. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:

    You got a post in that thread too GP!
     
  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Thanks, looking forward to reading it

    :lol::lol:

    I know :patsch:patsch Save you some time though Ill just read everythign off there tommorow. Completly forgot about that thread
     
  11. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pollack's 'In the Ring with Bob Fitzsimmons' has great coverage of this fight.

    Dempsey took a terrible beating, and Fitzsimmons was glad when it was over.

    I remember one comment (cited in Pollack) to the effect that Dempsey showed a form that would have enabled him to beat any other man in his weight class, yet was completely out-classed by Fitzsimmons. The fight established Fitzsimmons as a fistic phenom.
     
  12. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Bob Fitzimmons who Kod Jack Dempsey, in 1891, was 28 years old then, and was in his fistic prime...Fitz at that middleweight match very well might have been the greatest fighter that ever lived...Hereafter the Dempsey ko Fitzimmons,was forced to tackle the best heavyweights of the time,and still flattened most of them,such as Maher Gus Fuhlin Tom Sharkey,Corbett,etc,and spotting themup to 50 lbs.....All this when he was past his peak...Fitz was unique ,for he had pipe stem legs,no waist ,massive chest and shoulders,and arms that was once described ,as coming from a cable car...Thus his tremendous punching power on a 160 lb frame......
     
  13. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Brilliant thread. Any more articles or write ups on this bout?
     
  14. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This bout is actually legendary and has been well written about over the years so in no way “forgotten” or “overlooked”.
     
  15. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    The Times-Democrat (New Orleans, Louisiana) 15 Jan 1891, Thu Page 6
    James J. Corbett, the heavy-weight, immediately after the fight repaired to the St. Charles Hotel, where he was seen by a reporter of The Times-Democrat, and when asked: "I authorized my back two hours before the fight to bet £2000 even on Fitzsimmons, he to take half and I take half. Since I saw Fitzsimmons fight McCarthy I placed him as the greatest middleweight of the world. He is strong, long in the reach, clever, in fact very clever, and his wind is first class. Dempsey was overmatched, and if the truth was known he could not have weighd over 142 or 143 pounds. Fitzsimmons is a clever fighter in his class, they don't make them any better, and to-night he could have won without a handler. He has every requirement that goes to make a fighter, and above all is a gentleman in the ring. I am sorry to see Dempsey licked, but he died game. Fitzsimmons was very considerate and could have put him out in the fifth round. It seemed to me as if he wanted to give the people a show for their money, and no one can deny that he is a general and a gentleman in the ring and at the same time a clever fighter."
     
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