Five Frazier Missed As Champ

Well, it would have been easier for everyone if you would have showed us your true intentions from the beginning.

 

Andrei00,

This clown has always had an agenda against Frazier.

 

So you are into ****, eh?

Figures.

Bye now.

 

Well, the guy did defend his title against Ali and Foreman, two ATGs, both of them regarded as top 10 heavyweights all-time, even top 5 by some people, and there aren't a lot of heavyweights who accomplished that.

Now, you're saying that those fighters were denied a title shot, and just to be clear, we're talking about 1972 and about Liston, Mac Foster, Garcia, Lyle and Norton. Liston is dead, so he's already out of the question. Mac Foster lost against Ali that very same year, being hospitalized for three days after the bout, and was knocked out by Quarry in 1970. Furthermore, he was suspended, also in '72, and his scheduled fight with Lyle was cancelled. The only reason Garcia was even ranked, was his surprising KO win over Norton. He was KO'd in '72 by Ernie Terrell, and by Lyle and Joe Alexander the very next year. Not someone who can claim he was denied a title shot by Frazier. Lyle turned pro in '71, and his most notable win around that time was Buster Mathis. Again, I guess you can try to make a case for him, but it's hard to say that he was denied a title shot. Norton and Frazier were friends, so I guess it's understandable why they never fought.

 

There is no rule in boxing that a leading contender has to be fought at any given time. Frazier fought two all time greats and two soft touches in-between. No issue whatsoever with this...in fact it's a non issue.

Norton mid 72 Was beating fighters like James woody on the west coast. It's not a question whether he should have been considered more or less so than Daniels or Stander as they were all at the same level in the publics mind and all unrated.

 

It's not irrelevant at all. Norton wasn't ranked and I believe neither was Lyle. In fac, in '72, Foster and Garcia were the only ones ranked out of your list, and it's absolutely relevant that one of them was ranked based on one single win against Norton, and the other one was hospitalized by Ali.

How about the fact that Foreman never got a rematch against Ali, but instead fighters like Jean-Pierre Coopman were fighting for the title? I know you're gonna tell me it's not the same thing, well the principle should remain the same.

 

The only thing I spotted was the ducking of the Foreman question.

btw, Frazier became the true heavyweight champ on 2/16/70 when he unified the title by taking out Ellis.

Bye now. :happy

 

What difference? There's obviously a 6 month period in which real contenders were denied a title shot. :nono