Five Frazier Missed As Champ

MSG tried to match up Frazier and Patterson as Frazier's first defense post-FOTC, but Floyd wouldn't come to terms. Can't say I blame Floyd, he knew what would happen.

The FOTC took a tremendous amount out of Frazier. He was never the same afterward. Durham advised him to retire. He should have.

I think it is ridiculous and also petty that some of you are finding fault with the Frazier camp for sitting on the title a bit post-FOTC.

 

So we're going to continue down the sewer, huh? Nothing constructive but to tell me I should examine boxing history closer. OK, I'll bite. Poor Joe, it was such a rough fight. But tell me, wasn't Ali in that fight too? What did he do in '71 and '72? I'll tell you what he wasn't doing. Touring with his group 'The Knockouts' and having a good old time. Cost Joe dearly in January of '73, didn't it?

 

Beats all with ease except Liston. Liston was a big banger, but never had a iron chin, a good chin, a good enough chin to take blows from 99% of boxers and be unfazed, but that 6 inch punch from frazier on the inside would wobble his legs. Joe is a great fighter, he knows where to hit you, when to hit you, how hard to hit you. He'll tap you to the body with a left hook and then when you drop your right hand nail you with his hardest left hook punch in the head. and drill a right uppercut to your liver, the man was dangerous. It would be a great fight. But Liston would lose.

Joe taught Norton, so forget that one.

Lyle was good, but he had trouble with shavers, he ain't beating joe

 

Actually, Stander, though not the least bit special, wasn't all that bad, as far as soft touches are concerned.

He had victories over some credible names (green Shavers, Thad Spencer, and Manuel Ramos (x2). Decent enough scalps to have for someone who was fighting primarily in the Midwest. Plus, he actually gave Frazier a decent enough fight, all things considered...even buckling him pretty badly with a nice right hand. There have been worse heavyweight challengers, all things considered.

I think the main reason why people lump Stander in with Daniels (who was about as deserving of a title shot as any no-hoper one could possibly name), is that his challenge occurred after the Daniels fight. Had it occurred immediately after FOTC, I think it would have been considered an acceptable follow-up, given the hell that Frazier had gone through in the previous fight. As it was, it was still a step up in terms of quality from Mutt...just not as large a step up as many would have liked to have seen.

 

Norton, Lyle and Garcia were nobodies when Joe was on top of the heavyweight division. Why fight these guys for pennies(comparatively) when you can fight(and rematch) Quarry, Foreman and Ali for tens of millions.

 

atsch
I was talking about all of them combined.