Fixed Fight series part 2 Larry Holmes

This part 2 of the fixed fight series

The Background​

The time was the 1980s :smoke The place, New York and Pennsylvania and Nevada.

The fix​

Larry Holmes was the heavyweight champion for a good chunk of the 80s and late 70s, what some don't know is that he participated in many fixed fights :hey
While in most cases the guys he fought did not know the fight was fixed, the judges were always on Larry's side and paid off for by Don King and Richie Giachetti. The mafia got almost all of Larry's money so much so that when he fought Tom Prater he had to borrow money for a plane ticket home. That guy borrowed $200 from me and to this day has not paid me back :-( No biggie though its just $200. Now by the time Larry went big time the mafia was getting half of Larry's purses, after taxes this left him with next to nothing so the money was made off the back end. 25% went to King, and the other 25% was split even between holmes lawyer back in easton charles spaziani and richie gianchetti. Now you tell me, if Holmes has an 8 mil purse, what lawyer is going to demand 1 million. You could hire a national major law firm, and I have, that will charge you between $50-100k flat. The lawyer was being used to send money to the mafia, everyone was giving the mafia a piece of their cut. King, Gianchetti (who was paranoid about being whacked so he was taping all his phone calls and tried to go to the fbi with them) Spaziani, Holmes, everyone was giving the mafia a piece in boxing at those times and if you think differently you either a liar, were not there or deeply deluded. This is not conspiracy theory, I was there, I met the same mobster, I heard the conversations, and anyone who was in these circles at those times knows it. It was fact everyone around Larry at the time knew it. He was making his money off "the back end" well the mob got nearly all of his purse once you factor in taxes. Earnie Shavers even told this to a journalist in an article in the Cincinnati post in the 1980s "Shavers stated that Holmes told him he was on the mafia pay roll and only got half of his earnings but claimed it all worked out because he was building his name."

In exchange for giving up the money, Larry was promised several things
1) Larry got to fight alot of soft opponents, ones who were chosen for the sole reason that they would not be able to knock him out. This was because Larry had a glasschin. I seen him dropped several times in sparring by guys you've never heard of and I've seen guys get booted out of training camp for knocking out Larry less than 2 weeks before the Snipes fight.
2) Larry would win, and win he did, even in close fights where he was dropped, as long as he didn't get knockedout cold he would be given the fight. Larry had about 6-7 real close fights than objective judges could have seen him losing.
3) Larry was heavily into the mob, the falsified records of guys he fought, they said the guys were bigger, taller, weighed more and were younger. I will give specific examples later ie ken norton

4) A philly news paper, that I am holding in my hand as I type this called
N.j. Study Outlines Intertwining Of Boxing And The Mob
Written by Marc Duvoisin,
On January 06, 1986 highly implicated Larry's mafia involvement. While I won't type out the entire article here, it was basically a special commission set up to investigate mafia influence over boxers.

Something that others deny in my other thread. Are you going to accuse the commission of slander too?:bart

Precisely what happened with larry holmes, vacates the belt and joins the mafia controlled IBF just like the other mob controlled fighter Muhammad Qawi. Larry is not as good as you are inclined to believe, in alot of his fights the announcers were actually his mafia employees and associates and I have the article to prove it and I know it occured because he told me so.


Known mafia associates who were managers, promoters across philly and south jersey who were implicated in the report with ties to holmes include

-Frank Gelb
-Joseph Hand Sr

Barry was Kenneths brother and Kenneth was

This is "the back end" where Larry really made his money. And what did Larry have to say about all this

The fights were holmes-ali and holmes cooney.

Kenneth the guy who investigators directly identify as mafia, he denies he is mafia and mafia doesn't exist. There is no organized crime in boxing it is all mapleleaf :verysad I got some ocean front property in Arizona from the proch you can see the sea, I got some ocean front property in Arizona and if you'll buy that I'll throw in the golden gate for free. :hey

Another interesting point I'd share with you guys is that they lied about Ken Norton's age. They said he was something like 35, born in 1943 when he fought Larry in 1978. But Norton was a notorious age liar and Holmes mafia associates were all too glad to let that slide and pretend that was his real age. Larry Holmes was born in 1949.

 

LA times
December 26, 1987|RICH ROBERTS

Doing the math, would suggest Norton was 10 years older than holmes and was born in october 1949. This would mean norton was born in August 1939. Meaning Norton was actually 39 when he fought Holmes. Except I know Ken Norton is older than this because I have searched the records and now that he fought under a different name in the early part of his career out of California. I heard Ken took up boxing to dodge the draft. Strangely he was listed as young as 33 at the holmes fight from ring side announcers but we had a little laugh. No one wanted to see old men fight, not back then, we did not trust people over 30s. But Ken was actually born in 1936, I know this based on his early fight records out of California and I've seen his real ID anyways. Making him 42 at the time of the Holmes fight.

So Holmes is scared of Don Kings "bad friends", but there is no mafia.

sports illustrated
November 04, 1991
Shadow Boxing
Joseph Spinelli

Holmes pays off the WBC president to protect his title, lies about it under oath but admits it on tape recorder to fbi informants, his manager and to Quintana, and they even had the $5000 cheque but I am the conspiracy theorist for saying the truth :verysad. Would a guy who pays of the wbc president not pay off a boxing judge? Use your common sense.

Going back to the money topic, this explains why a guy who was 48-2, with 50 fights, one of the longest reigning heavyweight champs in history, was so broke he had to come back to get knocked out by mike tyson :bbb

Larry never saw much of the money in the first half of his career, its no wonder why he had to come back and fight for the money.

 

You're nuts! Larry is one of the greatest heavyweights ever! He came up the hard way, trained hard and fought harder. he didn't need any help, and shure as hell wouldn't take any!

 

Larry was good. Greatest is a very strong word. He did have a difficult life and no reason to talk him down. He certainly did get help from the judges, and he did admit to paying jose sulamin to keep that title. And there was the cheque that was found. To ignore that is to ignore reality. That is very child like, its like not wanting to admit that santa clause and the toothfairy and WWE rasiling is not real.

 

Like a lot of champs,Holmes got the benefit of a couple of questionable decisions. Nothing more than that.

 

So you think Norton was 34 years old (or older) when he burst on the scene by breaking Ali's jaw??

 

I don't know if any of this is true about Holmes, but I'm sure there have been a lot of fixed fights.
It is too easy to fix a fight and the stakes are too high for there not to have been fixes- a lot of them.

 

All champions and managers have shady freinds but there is a world of difference between an unpopular decision and a fixed fight.

It is an unwritten rule of boxing that a challenger has to "dominate" rather than "edge" rounds to a win a title. Nobody dominated Holmes in a title fight and got shafted. close yes. Shafted no.

Likewise another unwritten rule in championship boxing is there is absolutely no mileage in an old champion keeping his title in a close fight AFTER he has already said he will retire before the fight.

Norton might have got the decision when he challenged ali n NYC had Ali announced before the fight he would retire win or lose like Holmes did before facing spinks for fight #49.

 

If that is what it works out to then that is what it works out to.

Well there is a difference between having shady friends and having mafia associates following you and working for you and being on their payroll, taking money from them, giving your purse to them and paying off officials like Jose Sulamin. Idiot was so dumb he wrote a cheque to him in his own name. I agree with the challneger part and the retiring champ part, but larry was in fixed fights, he got caught red handing paying off the head of the organization he was holding the title for. It is the smoking gun.

Holmes got the benefit he paid for, he gave jose sulamin a big fat check, was caught red handed, lied about it under oath and got busted for it. The evidence is overwhelming and goes far beyond a guy who just got fights because he was champs. Why pay off Sulamin if this was just luck, why have close mafia associates. It doesn't make sense, he is too deep in it to just deny it.

 

Very interesting. Very interesting, indeed.

 

Wait. First you say you have this evidence first hand. Then you post a bunch of articles that you've strung together to support some conspiracy theory. Yet, I am a keyboard warrior? Good luck getting anywhere with this theory. All you have to do is watch Holmes fight to know he was a great fighter that came up the hard way. Was he in some close fights that could have gone either way? Yes. But the champ always gets the benefit of the doubt. Holmes was the champ so he got the benefit. The rest of your horse**** is just that, horse****. Keep trying to convince us that Leonard made 100m off the second Duran fight Il Duce. I guess you cant stand that Boxrec wont let you post your nutso conspiracy theories theories there so you continue your line of bull**** here, pretending to be an "insider" who "was there" just like when you pretended to be a "WBA official," whatever. Just another child who knows how to use google to string together a nice fairytale about things that happened before he was born or before he can remember a time when he wasn't shitting in his diaper. Lets see how far you get with this story, that will be "the proof in the pudding/"

 

Why on earth would the mob invest everything in a heavyweight who you say has a glass jaw? Why would they let him get in the ring with Earnie Shavers, one of the hardest punches of all time? I could go on and on, but this whole thing is so ridiculous there's no point.

 

It is called co-robberating evidence. I may have seen something first hand. But Larry being caught bribing jose sulaman and boxing officials certainly is good corrobating evidence. Him lying about his known mafia ties and reports showing the endemic of fixed fights is corroborating evidence. It shows that other objective bodies and commission, prosecutors, fbi agents, police saw the same things I saw. These are not conspiracy theories because they are proven facts.

I did watch holmes fight and I saw him get laid out in the gym by way better fights in sparring. Holmes was not great, carefully picked opponents, dropped the title to avoid tough fights and couldn't get the easy fights he wanted despite paying off sulaman.

I never made Leonard made $100 m of a single fight, but after he did. His highest paying fight until duran was 1 mil against benetiez. Ya I am a big pretender you got me all figured out. You were not there you are just full of it. Come to a boxing ring and say half the smack you talk here in the ring to my face.

 

There were a lot of stinky things about the Holmes reign, in my opinion. I don't think his getting off the canvas to beat Shavers is one of them, though. Larry somehow got away with making more easy defenses against bums than any other champ I've seen in my lifetime. I still think he was a great fighter, though.

 

Ooooh, keyboard tough guy. Internet champion of the world.

You want to come on here and post crap like this, expect people to challenge you and disagree. Go dig your big girl panties out of the laundry and deal with it, sunshine.