Flash vs Fast.

So Roy was fooling us with his insane handspeed because he was rarely a counter puncher? that's also not all why he stuggled later in his career.

 

I agree with that. But you also used Roy as a example of being flashy rather than fast based on the fact he's rarely a counter-puncher not all fighters are and the main reason like you said Roy was always able to get off first was he was vastly faster than all the competetion with not only his hands but his feet as well.

 

i agree floyd gets his first punch off faster to his target faster than say pac or calzaghe. but, he is slower in cocking his hand back and releasing in combinations (which he does seldom nowadays) . part of reason for his ability to deliver that punch so quickly i think is technique. he has perfected it and keeps his punches straight, compact. however, i disagree with the roy comparison. roy had serious hand speed, and although he got off first often as opposed to countering, you never saw him getting countered to where the other guy landed on him first before his punch was delivered.

 

Classic example of how numbers can twist facts.

Most of Pac's decision wins came when he started his career, hardly fair to compare the puncher he has developed into compared to back then. In fact, Pac himself has said he carried rocks just to make the minimum weight limit when he was fighting at 16, so not only was he a 16yr old kid trying to knock out men, he was also an undersized one at that.

Of Pac's last 30 wins, 26 comes by way of stoppages or something ridiculous like that. Thats 86% KO ratio. On the other hand, of Calzaghe's last 10 opponents, he has only stopped 3 of them.

Also that 70% ratio includes Pac's losses...you cant KO your opponent in a loss otherwise you would have won atsch Calzaghe is undefeated so it didnt affect him. If you are to include KO ratio in losses, this would show that Earnie shavers wasnt a big puncher....

 

You have a good point, but Pacquiao does have genuine hand speed to go along with the fluidity of his combination punching.

Also, Jones had good one punch speed, Calzaghe is the only real example of what you're talking about as far as Im concerned, other good examples would be De La Hoya, and Pernell Whitaker when he flashed.

 

It seems that you haven't seen the gifs of the Pac-Cotto fight. Cotto moves his hand first but Pac lands first.

 

Your general premise is correct, true speed is about landing that first punch and landing a real punch not those flashy shoe shinning combinations. Mayweather is very quick at landing that first punch, he is also excellent at picking the punch an opponents open to. Jones is probably quicker at this than Mayweather though. Pacquaio isnt great at picking the right punch a fighters susceptable to, hes more mechanical

Pacman and Calzaghe still have a fast first punch, just not as fast as Mayweather/Jones. Plus Pacquaio is a little predictable so canbe timed/countered

Bottom line is Pacman probably has faster hands, but Mayweathers the quicker trigger puller

 

Jones was flashy and fast.

 

:deal That had to be one of the most stupid post I've ever seen, **** Roy still had fast hands when he was 40.

 

:rofl Now you're comparing a 43 yr old Bernard to a peak PBF. Keep em coming.

 

i don't really see why people think roy jones jr was just an athlete. the dude could box. he had a great amateur career and could do just about anything he wanted to with the gloves on. he started getting tagged when he wasn't two or three steps ahead of everyone else anymore. the same thing happened to ali. the only difference was the ability to take the bunch.