Flashes of greatness...

Lloyd Honeyghan showed glimpses in the Rosi, Curry and Hatcher fights, but never could make that final step into Boxing Valhalla.

Kirkland Laing was a deeply, deeply flawed genius.

Taylor showed greatness in the McGirt and Chavez fights, but like Honeyghan could not makee that final step up.

Mayweather Jr shows glimpses then lets himself down by doing the minimum required, much like Jones Jr.

 

RIP Chapo, but he does not belong in the IBHOF.

 

How many people have won the 135 title 3 times tho

:smoke

 

If the 15 round championship distance was still in place, he wouldn't have won it the first time, and he dethroned only one defending champion (Bramble), a title shot which he "earned" by losing to Camacho. Rosario's overall record in championship competition was a paltry 7-5, and arguably should be only 6-6 with his gift decision over Howard Davis Jr. He failed to last the distance in all four of his unsuccessful title defenses. Duran, Arguello, and Benny Leonard only needed to win it once, and they dethroned defending champions in the process.

 

Let's not forget Rosario didn't really beat Ramirez the first time and didn't beat the legitimate title holder Camacho so that only makes him a one time title holder.

3 time champion .......there's a sucker born every minute.

 

Thanks for the info. I switched on the fight when it was already well underway, so I only started viewing it in time to see Rosario begin to fade badly. The blow by blow commentary made it sound as if Chapo had built up a substantial lead, but televison executives were also promoting Rosario heavily, a major reason why he got so many title shots. For all the opportunities handed to Edwin on a silver platter, he should have been far more successful than he was.

 

Speculation, even if likely

The most spectacular performance over a top fighter by a lightweight of the whole decade in all likelihood.

MASSIVE controversy as many thought Rosario won including the vast majority of countrymen. Camacho said after the fight he wouldn't fight him again.

Sounds like you have a bit of hatred toward Rosario actually, my memory is that the decision was fair and just, tho razor thin. I definitely remember a couple of my publications scoring it for Rosario.

Ali won the crown 3 times, so Rosario's in reasonable company.

 

Common scoring had Rosario winning 5 or 6 of the first 6 rounds.

Unless i'm wrong about these silver platter opportunities, Rosario won shots at new titles 3 out of 4 times. Not a bad success rate.

Was Bramble your favourite fighter or something? Camacho? You really seem to have it in for poor old Rosario, god bless his soul.

 

That case could be made. However, I tend to favor Andy Ganigan's shocking annihilation of Sean O'Grady, and Arguello's subsequent nailbiter with Ganigan.

Camacho could have emerged as fighter of the decade for both the 1980's and 1990's. He had that much potential, but blew it. He could be undefeated today with the potential he had.

I did preface my comments about Rosario with the acronym RIP. Unlike Camacho, he never boxed wearing a skirt, and he wasn't a show-off. But I don't think he measured up to all the opportunities provided for him either.

Fortunately for Chapo, Davis couldn't stand up to a stiff breeze (or even Vilomar Fernandez).

Ali dethroned three heavyweight titleholders for his crowns, including two undisputed HOF champions, while only losing one title defense. Chapo lost four title defenses. That hardly puts Rosario in Ali's company.

 

Ras-I is a most amusing and entertaining character, who apparently shares live snake necklaces with Escalera.

No, I am NOT a squish, and I don't believe males should wear skirts when boxing!

No, my position is simply that he wasn't that good. That doesn't mean I wasn't saddened when he passed on, any more than am not enraged with Greg Page's father for forcing him unwillingly into a violent sport which has led to his becoming wheelchair bound, instead of letting Greg play basketball and be happy. (Parents suck sometimes. That's why I vowed to never become one.)

 

Did I see that right?

John Thomas just compared El Chapo to the greatest. atsch

 

...........All things being equal, I agree with the magazine's summation of how Sandoval-Canizales would have gone. Instead, Sandoval started taking non-title fights at 130 pounds and couldn;t shed the wieght to get back to 118. You saw him in there against Canizales. The man was a zombie. Any decent fighter would have taken him that night.

 

Decent fighters but Bramble was rated 2 or 3 P4P by the boxing publications and thought to be on his way to greatness, as well as a very heavy favourite. Rosario's brilliant KO stopped the 135 pound division in it's tracks.

I couldn't agree less. Physically and technically yes, unbelievable talent but where he didn't have it was mentally. When the going got seriously tough Hector couldn't come thru. The Rosario fight hinted at what he lacked and at the end of the day i think we saw pretty much the best of him. He was heavily criticised latter career for sometimes fighting negative and safely when he was outgunned and not laying it all on the line in hope of victory.

There's definite resentment there and your slant on the man is totally negative. You go so far as to call his decission win over Davis a "gift" which is not the way it was at all.

Yes but he had other assets that made him a most capable fighter, at one time being the fastest fighter on earth. It was a fine win for Rosario, and was written as such at the time. Rosario also just happens to be the pick of many as the hardest hitting 135 pounder to lace on a glove. His power cannot be undermined.

But it sure put him in the HOF

He was very definitely different wasn't he. I seem to remember him having to get permission from hotels all the time to have his snake there

Well all your comments in this thread are totally negative toward Rosario with no credit or leeway given whatsoever in any quarter. Nothing wrong with that, 99% of us have our biases and leanings in here but i'd hardly try come across as impartial on this one.

 

Well they both had two arms and two legs, just like you, Hank, Pepper and co. Between the lot of you

:rofl

 

How about Razor Ruddock?