Flashes of greatness...

Leon Spinks in the first Ali fight looked pretty impressive.:good

 

There's definite resentment there and your slant on the man is totally negative. You go so far as to say his decision win over Rosario was a "gift" which was not that way at all. Remember Rosario-Davis was much closer than Camacho-Rosario.

 

Bias got nothing to do with it. Face facts-Edwin couldn't take a blow to the chops.

 

John still believes in the legend of Edwin Rosario.

 

Well sort of, loads of people had Rosario beating Camacho by 2 points and many had Rosario beating Davis by only one, but i'd hardly call a single point "much closer".

:good

 

Yep, I'm in agreement with this. Ibeabuchi, Rosario and Dokes are other fine picks. :good

 

With hindsight, perhaps it was a case of Ali being that bad...

 

Cool Vince Phillips looked damn good in his upset of Kostya Tszyu.
Ditto Frankie Randall against Julio Cesar Chavez.

 

At least he stood there and had a go when the chips were down, not like a certain other countryman who went by the misnomer "Macho"

 

Not at all, he fell short of the greatness predicted, but the man was a fine fighter and deserves his dues. A fine warrior who gave his all, case point the Chavez fight. Edwin was a mess but hung in gamely and couldn't stop talking about how he wanted another shot at Chavez. A big contrast to Hector, hurt badly twice vs Rosario then pronouncing he would not under any circumstances fight him again controversial decision or not. If Hector had a bit of this type of fortitiude he would have been downright dangerous.

 

Jimmy Paul and Alex Ramos could be considered also.

 

I'd say Paul more than Ramos, Paul won the title and was quite highly regarded at one point but while wins over Arroyo and Blake were fine where they really the stuff of greatness. Alex had some serious press but never really beat anyone. At one point he was mentioned as the hardest hitter in the middleweight division with either hand, even tho he'd not beaten anybody of note. I was actually a big fan of Ramos and quite intrigued talent wise, but he just didn't come thru for whatever reason. Bobby Joe Young all but mirrored him.

 

You can use the 15 round argument both ways though. Had he had to go an extra 3 rounds, Ramirez probably wins (I thought Ramirez won anyway), but if Rosario had 3 extra rounds against Camacho, Rosario likely wins (I thought Rosario won anyway).

And I'll just add, though it wasn't a title fight, if he had 15 rounds against Frankie Randall he likely would have sent him to sleep. He had him just about out on his feet at the end of 10 rounds.

At the end of the day, Rosario poleaxed the likes of Viruet, Bramble, Nazario, Jones, Garza and nearly did the same to Randall, whilst holding his own against the likes of Davis, Ramirez and Camacho.

He's not great, but not a bad fighter when it's all said and done. If people think the likes of Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo should be in the Hall well I say chuck Chapo in as well, becuase I think he mashes both.

 

Like a welterweight beating up on the heavy bag.

 

Michael Carbajal looked incredible when he destroyed Muanchai Kittikasem, and looked like an all-time great when he came back from two knockdowns to stop Humberto Gonzalez...yet, he never really seemed to fulfill his potential.

Resendo Alvarez was brilliant in both of his fights against Ricardo Lopez, yet never seemed to capitalize in the same way at any other point in his career.