Flavours of the month: Charles vs Patterson

Lhw - Charles
Hw - Patterson

 

if the 1946-53 charles went into camp knowing patterson was a threat he would beat the patterson of any time zone. from 1946 until 1953 charles was only KOd by walcott (who hed already beat twice and would have a close return with), johnson on a split, ray on a split (who he later kod) and valdes who he never got a chance to face again. he beat a boat load of heavyweights beter than the guys patterson beat in title fights like marshal, maxim, moore, ray, bivins, baksi, wallcot, louis, satterfield and layne. in fact there isnt anyone he did not fight who he could have fought. charles fought them all and was outstanding.
pattersons best wins were ingo, bonnavena, chuvalo and cooper. thats it! moore put in a non effort against him and maxim beat patterson. it does not stand up. ok, he lost to great fighters like ali, liston and ingo but charles at least pushed the guys who beat him closer than floyd did.

 

Why did Moore put in a "non effort" ?
For the heavyweight championship. :huh

 

Moore was stale, he had about 11 fights that year to maintain his heavyweight rankig- i think one of if not the most actve years of his career. its not floyds fault since he was pin point superb that night but there was no fire from archies performance. it was very very limp. moore listened to the count without straining to get up. there was suspicions. I dont think it stank i just dont think you can count it as a good win. floyed beat fighters who tried harder than that.

 

I'm not sure, maybe Moore was a little bit off, but I figure he just couldn't deal with that speed.

He was probably lucky Patterson didn't fight him for his light-heavy crown that year too.

 

absolutly! patterson should have fought him at lightheavy, i could not agree more. it would have enhanced floyds legacy tenfold had he done this then stayed there till 59ish. harold johnson v patterson would have been great!

archie moore was woeful against patterson, its no excuse it just wasnt the real archie. the guy who got off the floor against durellle in 59' -the 1959 ring magazine "fighter of the year" by the way was entirely absent against patterson. when asked if patterson thought archie threw the fight he answered "i dont know if he did, maybe he did? I do know I did not throw it"

 

Moore did not throw the fight but he was probably distracted by battles outside the ring and had trouble dealing with Patterson's speed at 40+ years of age. A less experienced but a physically more capable Archie may have done better.

 

I dont know, I've read later quotes from Moore saying he fought an "uninspired" fight, which is kind of odd for such a warrior in his biggest fight, biggest chance he'd ever get.
Maybe it was a tank job. The IBC was pretty crooked, and they set up the thing.
But Patterson's speed was always possibly gonna make Archie look his age, so it's hard to figure out.