'Fleischer Tells of Langford Koing Rival "On The Fly"'

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    From Ring:

    "It was in 1913 and Sam Langford was booked to fight John Lester Johnson at the old Atlantic Garderns on the Bowery New York.

    Langford was then at the height of his career. He was hitting with devastating power and few of the outstanding white HWs were willing to meet him. Hence, the Boston Tar Baby had to take on men of his own race, and often fought them over and over again.

    Johnson was a "new one" on Langford's calling list. Sam had met quite a few of the other Johnson's of the time - notably Jack and Battling Jim - but this was his first meeting with John Lester.

    And John Lester apparently didn't think a lot the arrangement. Believing that discretion was the better part of valour, he started scooting around the ring the moment the opening bell clanged. Langford chased him for a while but decided it was wasted effort - John Lester was travelling too fast to be caught. So Sam stood in the center of the ring and watched Johnson scamper around like a scared jack rabbit.

    Finally convinced that John Lester wouldn't stand still long enough to make a fight of it, Langford did some rapid mental calculating. He estimated the speed at twhich Johnson was moving, then wound up his right hand and let it go at his fleeting rival.

    The punch caught John Lester "on the fly" and halted his flight with dramatic suddeness. Langford's fist landed on the base of Johnsons spine :)scaredas:), and John Lester went crashing to the canvas. His head was clear but the clout had paralyzed his legs and he was counted out."



    Knowing old Nat could be given to hyperbole, I dug out the NY Times report also:




    Langford bout fiasco: Negro HW stops Lester Johnson in less than a round


    What was the greatest fiasco seen hereabouts in boxing since the Frawley law became effective was the outcome of the much-heralded Sam Lanagford-John Lester Johnson bout last night...Langford scaled 185lbs to his opponents 170...at the gong Johnson immediately began prancing and stamping about the ring like a horse with the blind staggers. Langford was compelled to make long-distance swings at his man, and the only spot he could reach was his opponent's left kidney, which he walloped so effectively three times while the pair were in a neutral corner that Johnson went down for the count just getting to his feet as the referee cried ten seconds.

    The all but defeated man continued to try to evade Langford, who belabored him again on what appeared to be a vital spot, and, after Johnson had gone down through the effects of the punch as well as because of the apparent weakness the referee helped the beaten man to his feet and waved Langford to his corner...

    The semi-final brought together a mute called Silent Marcus and Battling Larry Ryan.




    I swear to Christ I am not making Silent Marcus and Battling Larry Ryan up. The "mute" won a six round decision according to the Times. Jesus.​


    Anyway, this is funny but it has a serious point. Lester Johnson was no world beater (40-30-6) but he had already been ten rounds with the Bigger Jeanette, would beat Bill Tate a year later, and would go the distance with Demspey, Wills (20 rounds at one point) and Jeanette again. ​

    But such was Langford's aura that Johnson was too terrified to even remain competitive. He must have been a sight in his prime. Johnson seems terrified off him, and can't make it even a meaningful fight, but he would carry Wills 20 and draw with Jack Dempsey, showing apparent durability and bravery in the process. ​

    Sam dispatches him with a single shot.​

    I think I underate him, maybe. ​
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    If anyone has the Moyle book to hand, let me know what he made of it all? I'll do it tomorrow if nobody can dig it out, I don't have it to hand just now.
     
  3. janitor

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    I keep telling people that Langford was one of the greatest heavyweight finishers of all time and I get met with polite disbelief.

    Who knows what would happen if you put Langford in with the greatest heavyweights of all time?

    You could see a masive masive upset.
     
  4. McGrain

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  5. Flea Man

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    Vikki Blows nice touch mcgrain :good

    seriously though, a mute boxer??????


    Langford was a beast in his day.
     
  6. WhataRock

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    Win
     
  7. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล

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    Shame I can't find the recent 'Front' shoot online...........unbelievable, she's a proper cutie as well as a complete fox.

    McGrain knows how to pull in more posters when it looks like he's posted to no avail :rofl
     
  8. McGrain

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    :lol:

    Better than writing "bump" I guess.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Sam Langford is one of the greatest heavyweights of all-time.
    His record, and the reports of his performances and abilities DEMAND that he be rated along with the best, in my reckoning anyway.

    Sounds like J.L.Johnson was doing an early type of Cassius Clay "float like a butterfly" (or "stamp like a horse"), "hands cant hit what you eyes cant see".
    But Sam caught a glimpse of him, and Johnson caught hell.
     
  10. Flea Man

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    :lol::good
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    from now on nobody reply to McGrains threads till e bumps them


    very interesting, i actually underate Langford so im going to do some more research on him
     
  12. Flea Man

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    I do as well. It's just inconceivable that someone of his dimensions would be able to beat the likes of Ali, Foreman, Holmes etc etc when you take into account their apprent 'technical advancements' as well as their size.

    But the fact is his resume speaks for itself and the one bit of footage you can see him really well in (against that Autralian Heavy) he floors him nicely and looks good stalking him.

    Still a 'good for his time' for me.
     
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  14. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I am a huge Langford guy but feel even Sam had his limitations .... he'd be highly competitive, even dominate up to cruiserweights but to say he can dominate superheavyweights is too much. The best would be too big. He lost to Wills because of Wills being too big and extremely good. He lost to Fulton because a huge man with speed and a jab was too much for him to overcome at his size. He would get some wins but to say he beats the best of the giants is a bit of a reach to me ...
     
  15. Flea Man

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^:good