Floyd "Canelo beats GGG easy! Stops him!"

Completely agree. No excuse for them not accepting that. If they are trying to play hardball and seeing if they can get a percentage split, I do understand, they have to try, but if they walk from the offer.... that falls on them.

No, I am not acting that way lol. I have said time and again, TO YOU, that I am knocking Golovkin for not taking the offer (if the fight does fall through). What more do you want me to say? *** If the fight falls through I will be blaming Golovkin and will be calling him out for ducking Canelo *** You can keep saying I am ignoring the offers all you want, I'm not.

Again, you are seeing something that is not there. You are seeing, somehow, that the boxing world didn't think what Canelo did was cringeworthy. When in fact, there was a huge uproar about it, from fighters and fans alike. Not everyone, obviously. But to say 'boxing as a whole' didn't see that as a black eye for Canelo is completely baseless lol.

And you say Canelo is 'still' the PPV draw after that... as if hes proven how great of a seller he is after he did that. Isal m'man.... hes had ONE fight since he did that lol, and the numbers involved were mediocre to say the least. Still a big draw? Absolutely.... but basing his ppv sells against Smith and concluding that because of that the boxing world didn't find what he did as cringeworthy, is just weird man. Hes had one fight since! lol... and it was mediocre at best numbers wise.

IN FACT, Isal.... when you REALLY look at the numbers, even the REPLAY that was for free didn't break 500k. When was the last time any superstar drew numbers that low? My point is, you are really overblowing how big of a star he is.

See Isal. This is what you are doing man. You are trying hard to spin, and maybe you are even actually convinced of it, that Canelo is on a good run. You are trying to polish the FACT..... the -FACT-, that Canelo, in his PRIME, being the so called biggest star in boxing, someone who could point and pick anyone in the world to fight, will have fought ONE top tier fighter IN THREE YEARS.

You try to deflect that -fact- by talking about the breakdown of why Smith is a solid fighter, how he fought Cotto last year, and that he might fight Saunders or not. That's not rational Isal... that's not. That's a fan doing damage control for the fighter he likes. You, as a boxing fan, not just a Canelo fan but a boxing fan, (and just, a rational person) should be able to say 'ya his recent run as been disappointing' but you cant do that. You simply have to try and spin it any way you can to make it look better than it is.

Again, you can tell me how solid smith is, how Kirkland is second tier (hes not), and this n that, the fact is Isal, that by the time Canelo fights another A level fighter, he will have fought one in three years of his prime. That's the facts.

I'm not being fair becase I am being critical of a shot caller (meaning he can fight who he wants when he wants) having fought one A level fighter in almost three years. I'm being unfair because I think Canelo is overrated? Whatever you say Isal, lol. A heads up, if you think that's being overly unfair, you are probably too attached to the fighter you are defending. And I say that with respect. His recent level of comp is a fact. That three years ago he fought Lara and Trout awesome, but doesn't excuse this current run hes on (imo).


And again (and again and again and again) comparing Canelos oppurtunities, with someone like Lara, Thurman, and Brook, is comparing apples to oranges. OF COURSE I am going to hold Canelo to a different standard of opponent than I am someone like Lara, who cant get a top opponent to save his life, while Canelo can have pick of the litter every single fight. OF COURSE I am going to hold Canelo to a different standard than someone like Charlo, whos been a champion a whopping year so far.

I really wish you could see your lack of reason when disregarding contexts between resumes when discussing guys like Lara and Charlos with Canelo. Its apples and oranges.

- Yes, Canelo has a solid resume!
- Yes, I think its overrated (why? Because I think Lara and Trout are overrated, let alone Angulo, Kirkland, ect)
- Yes, Canelo has one of the best resumes around his weight
- Yes, I am still going to be critical that hes going on three years with one A level fighter, regardless of the fact he fought Lara and Trout years ago.
- No, as a boxing fan, you should not think that that level of critisim is so unbelievably unfair that whoever thinks it 'loses credibility'

Rubio is 4th Tier, Wade isn't even a tiered fighter, and Monroe is around lower third tier probably, yes. I have no reason to think that Kirkland would outclass Monroe at this point and with his level of inactivity.

Your point? That Golovkin fights third tier opponents too? yup... sure does. Does that change Kirklands quality? Nope. You see... again, Golovkin is not the standard that Canelo is judged. Golovkin is not the magical guy we get to point at and say 'well he does it too!' and then poof the point that was made gets made irrelevant. That's not how it works.

Wrong again.

Be critical all you want of G. What I am saying is, bringing up Golovkins resume, doesn't excuse Canelos. Bringing up something Golovkin does, doesn't excuse Canelo. I continue to not get what is so hard to understand about that.

You can keep trying all you want to use Golovkin as the standard in which Canelo should be judged. Hes not.


And yes, for anyone who applies critical thinking and acknowledges the underlying factors to WHY Golovkin fought Brook instead of Eubank, Wade instead of Saunders, Monroe instead of Jacobs, Rosado instead of Martinez, ect, ect, ect, (meaning, the reason you are able to blast Golovkins resume so bad, is because the people that would have made it better, refused to fight G at the time. Barring one guy (Lara) ) so yes, I CAN be critical of Canelos most recent span of opponents, while not thinking Golovkin is milking his fans in a similar manner. Its just basic logic Isal, when one guy can fight whoever he wants, and the other guy has to take what he can get, they cant be judged the same. Why cant you acknowledge that?

Agreed.

 

Lemiuex would absolutely demolish the kirkland that fought Canelo. As would Rubio himself (the version that fought Lem)

Thinking those two are at all comparable is laughable. Lem would be a 3-1 favorite over Kirkland, at the least.

I dont even think Kirkland would beat Ndam.

Rosado and Kirkland would be a fun fight and are nearer in level. Lem toyed with Rosado.