Floyd/Cotto vs each others opponents

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  1. greatone

    greatone Active Member Full Member

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    This came to mind watching the second 24/7. I was thinking if cotto was tougher than Floyd because he has been in the trenches and didn't make it out a couple of times, and then I wondered....How would have Cotto done against Gatti, Hatton, De la hoya, Ortiz and Baldomir? Also, how would have Floyd done against Margarito, PAC, Mayorga, and Clottey? Btw I know they have Shane and Judah in common (I think Corley too). I think Cotto beats all except De la hoya and Ortiz. I think Floyd beats Mayorga and Clottey.....that's it. The versions of Margarito (loaded gloves and all) and Pac that cotto faced were damn near unstoppable. I think Floyd faired better between their common opponents. Thoughts?
     
  2. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Im assuming your talking 140 and up and im ot gonna include common opponents of course

    Cotto beats Gatti, Bruseles at 140...at 147 He'd beat Marquez, Baldomir

    I'd Favor him over Hatton but its not a given what is though is that it would have been a great fight as long as it lasted, him beating Ortiz is 50/50 considering Ortiz Maybe just as hard or harder puncher had good speed and is a southpaw would have been a barn burner

    at 154 He'd lose to that version of ODLH....too big natural weight still had power and speed and wouldnt have to exert so much energy cutting off the ring...Cotto would move alot but isnt slick as Mayweather


    Mayweather Boxes Margarito's ears off loaded gloves or not, he is too slow to land enough on a fighter as slick and schooled as Mayweather...Mayweather is a far better counterpuncher and better boxer and ring general

    He beats Manny because of his length, jab, defense, and laser like right hand, he'd counter him all night and make him lead which he isnt at all comfortabke doing and mix it up inside where Manny isnt effective

    He beats Foreman, Clottey and the others


    both guys would have success but Cotto for sure wouldnt have beaten ODLh and those fights with Hatton and Ortiz would have been great to see:good
     
  3. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So if Cotto pulls off the upset, will your opinion change?
     
  4. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not necessarily because Mayweather isnt a full fledged 5'10" 1/2 Junior middleweight like Oscar...the styles are too different it would be harder for him to get past Oscars Jab or counter him...styles make fights

    only way Cotto pulls off the upset in by a one punch knockout or a stoppage ....he wont be winning a decision thats for sure, Mayweather is too adaptive and better in more areas.
     
  5. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We'll I think Cotto can win a decision, so I have a different take than you do on it. But we'll see in 2 weeks. As for Oscar/Cotto, too bad we'll never know. De La Hoya didn't wanna fight Cotto at the time and he claimed it was because his wife being PR, didn't want him to fight any PR fighters.
     
  6. greatone

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    I disagree with Floyd beating Margo and Pac because Pac was throwing 100 HARD punches per round in that fight, and I can see him keeping Floyd in a defensive shell in most of th fight. With Margarito, I think his size, stamina and iron chin might actually tire Floyd out, he would be running the whole fight.
     
  7. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Didn't Cotto beat him in the rematch doing just that?
     
  8. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At that point with his style ODLH would have had an easier time with Cotto...if it was the Cotto of today he has a good shot dude has developed into a very good boxer puncher he is a better counterpuncher and his jab is top notch

    I dont think Cotto can win a decision if he doesnt drop or hurt Mayweather several times because Mayweather is just so multi-faceted...he can mute Cottos offense inside, Cotto is susceptible to the right uppercut and right hand over the top..we shall see but i understand why you feel that way
     
  9. daprofessor

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    judah, corley and sosa are their common opponents.

    floyd beat all 3 by decision. cotto stopped them.

    i think cotto beats gatti by ko, hatton by ko, dlh by dec, ortiz by ko and baldomir by ko

    on the flipside...

    i think floyd beats margarito by dec, pac by ko, mayorga by dec and clottey by dec
     
  10. pugilistspecialist

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    You arent gonna throw 100 punches landing at a 25% clip, he will get tired of flailing and he will get countered in between...Manny has the power to hurt Mayweather for sure but his defense is average, his jab isnt very good and Mayweather will be pivoting using a counter left hook and straight rights...Mayweather has more options, he fights better inside and outside than Manny...Manny's best shot is to land something in the danger zone, mid range

    With Margo u have to understand that Cotto isnt as good a boxer defensively or counterpunching wise as Mayweather...when have we seen Mayweather Tired and who is to say Mayweather has to run considering Margarito is slow as molasses and Mayweather has the defense and reflexes to make him pay after each miss...with that slow jab he will be getting hit with straight lefts and rights and hooks all night n Mayweather would cruise to a UD12...Margarito has a great chin and stamina but rounds are won by punches landed, defense, and ring generalship...he wont land enough to make an impact
     
  11. greatone

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    I think it's safe too say the 2007 margarito was a bit better than the version in the rematch.
     
  12. greatone

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    Ok, we already saw a southpaw with handspeed (judah) give floyd some problems just with sheer speed. Imagine a mentally tough judah with way better stamina and power. I think that spells trouble for floyd. Floyd never gets tired in fights because he controls the pace and only throws 30-40 punches per round. I don't think he has enough to faze 2007 margo and keep him off of him for the full 12.
     
  13. thawk888

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    True, but he basically fought the same fight. Just with one eye. :yep
     
  14. thawk888

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    But Judah didn't lose because he got tired or because he gave up. Mayweather started ****ing him up because he used intelligent pressure and was out boxing him. Judah lost cause he couldn't compete or adapt once figured out.
     
  15. pugilistspecialist

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    outside of the Mosely fight Margarito has never been hurt or wobbled, so Mayweather isnt dumb enough to blow his load like Cotto...also Judah and Pac-Man are two different fighters....Judah troubled him with more than speed, he was timing Mayweather and is a better counterpuncher than Manny and has a better defense...getting hit makes you tired and Manny will be getting hit missing more than Landing...also Manny doesnt fight as well from the outside or inside as Judah.....Mayweather is just a smarter fighter than Manny not taking anything away from Manny, but he doesnt have a plan b and doesnt adjust well...he has problems with counterpunchers and Mayweather is longer, faster, counters better than Marquez his closest rival...Also Mayweather wont be waiting..he will mix in pressing the action, fighting mid range, and long range...Manny looked befuddled by a past prime Morales Mayweather is a totally different skill level but it wont be easy