Floyd destroyed MMA

My quote to you was out of line. The way you responded was more professional.

I agree that boxers would have to learn multiple arts and become proficient enough at certain aspects to optimize their game, which would likely be predicated on hand skills.

At the same time, we saw that clearly MMA fighters need to radically update their hand skills to compete in the boxing realm.

It's a balance, but I think hands are the quickest way to end a fight, but at the same time, people shouldn't be taking pride in being good at street fighting. All it takes is one time to change your life. It's not worth it. If anything, you should be using your skills to prevent that sort of action.

I think you are underestimating how dangerously skilled some of the guys at the upper echelon of this sport are. Who else has Mayweather put away? Hatton was at 140. McGregor was 170. Mayweather put away a 170 lb man. McGregor can say what he wants, but he was looking for a way out. He quit on his feet. The ref saved him.

Now, we have to see if McGregor can save himself. Here's the thing, if you're a McGregor fan, you don't want him to box at the upper level of the sport because guys like GGG, Canelo, and Jacobs could really hurt McGregor. I'm not saying McGregor couldn't become proficient at boxing, it's just that he would need more experience. At this point, with the wrong ref, they might let that kid take a merciless beating at the hands of GGG, Jacobs or Canelo.

That could be part of their plan because you have to understand that a complete domination over McGregor would put boxing on the map. I can tell you, against Jacobs, GGG or Canelo, the beating on McGregor would be savage. McGregor wouldn't be able to say anything about his stamina especially if they got Smoger to ref. That's not the guy you want to see reffing your fight.

 

I was just talkin ish. I fell into that trap. I respect MMA. I wouldn't do it, unless I absolutely had to.

 

Well yes a top boxer would be dangerous to a top marital artist in the cage becuase you're facing a specialist in that art.
the problem lies with the boxer being taken out of his element which can happen very easily in mma, everything is so much different.

bobing and weaving too low too often becomes a liability because of the head kicks and knees.

Boxers are very front foot heavy which can work but should be altered vs a thai fighters whos going to kick at the legs.

And the biggest factor is the clinch, the clinch in boxing is about sneaking punches in Before the ref inevitable breaks you up..in mma its about improving postion to work for a takedown or sub, we saw McGregor going to floyds back. And clinching just based on indistinct.

Boxers are dangerous of course, just like a high level blackbelt is dangerous, but for a well rounded top mma fighter, there's just too many paths to victory when facing someone who specializes in one thing.
I would have liked to see floyd vs conor in a kickboxing match that way they both are meeting in the middle, i would have gave conor a real chance in a kickboxing match, in a boxing match he was never going to win unless a fluke ko.

Also i don't think floyd really stopped mcgrgeor the same way he stopped hatton, hatton got legit dropped.and slept while fresh
conors cardio was never going to hold up especially with his early pace, floyd knew that, floyd just wated for the inevitable and beat conor up, conor was on his way to getting kod, but it was more of a boxing genius gameplan, rather than floyd just hurting conor

 

Mayweather letting MgGregor kick /knee /grapple..etc...would not prove anything but bring the obvious of Mayweather getting mugged outside boxing rules. Just like Mayweather defeating a 0 and 0 boxer.What was proved was that McGregor can box and forced Floyd outside his comfort zone with his very good switch up style( poor instinct to folow up with solid shots though)

The Boxing vs MMA debate.....

You dont master ANY art bc you constantly are learning . It doesnt take perfection to be a good fighter ,it takes competence and enouh fight IQ . You dont Master MMA you adapt to your opposition and use whatever skills you are capable of and intelligence to overcome a better skilled fighter if that was the case .

Winning fights depends on your smarts more than being the best at a skillset . Bruce lee said it best ,being physical strong as you can be is just as important as skill itself bc the stronger guy will then have the advantage in a real fight scenario .

You only need at least one art as your base (thats what you form your style off of ) and whatever else you use is secondary . Many UFC fighters dominated better fighters all around with just ONE discipline bc they excelled in that one form.

In boxing you have limited rules and limited boundaries restricted to hands ,making it harder to master ,and no one is a master at anything this includes boxing . Anyone who claims hes an expert at anything is a fool. But boxing in itself relies more on that SOLE skill set. Mayweather has even less chance to win in a cage than McGregor does with other top boxers.

Put away the one base that is boxing that makes up Mayweather ,hes not going to look good at all trying to to fight when Refs arent going to break up the clinches or take away points for roughing him up with grappling and striking.

Floyd probably wont see half way through rnd 1 in a cage against McGregor. This doesnt make boxing inferior its just a fact McGregor would be far more physically imposing than him in that setting.

@ the thread title...Mayweather destroyed MMA... ?

 

I get that people think McGregor did well, but I didn't see it. To be honest, I really think it's a trap because with the way the fans are talking, they are going to provoke McGregor into doing something very stupid, like fighting the winner of Canelo vs GGG.

Unlike MMA, you can hold against the cage or wrestle if your in trouble. Unfortunately, there is no hiding in the boxing ring, as Floyd showed McGregor who helplessly tried to run away.

The thing is, a Canelo or GGG beat down of McGregor would be far more brutal than anything you would ever see in MMA, and you would also get to see the look of PURE fear in McGregor's eyes, unlike anything he's ever shown in MMA. Because remember, McGregor is a bully in MMA. He quits when things aren't going his way.

With all his tough talk against Mayweather, by saying he wasn't hurt, it's going to get him in trouble. It appears some people in this thread are eating this up. That's fine, instill confidence in your boy because when he fights GGG or Canelo, boxing will completely overshadow MMA because it will be such a brutal beat down, that nothing in MMA would be able to compare.

 

I speak for myself buddy, I don't need others to do it for me. This said, like other hardcore boxing fans, I am enjoying dancing on the grave of the boring, bogus WWE-style spectacle that was UFC.

And while not a Floyd fan as such (not a hater either), I am grateful to him, like Ray Mercer, for exposing how limited and fragile-chinned this MMA posers are. The sooner this fringe sport is cast on the ashbin of history, the better for all.

F UFC. The Sweet Science is #1. End of story.

 

Apples to Oranges. End of discussion.

 

You sure convinced me Zak - they share your writing style and all and as your a frequent visitor to the MMA forum the similarities just sprang to mind.
I sure am enjoying these so-called hardcore boxing fans excuses for 10 rounds from some of the most hardcore dumbass posters in this forum.


Ten rounds against a novice. FMJ wouldn't last one round versus any of the thousands of Muay Thai fighters in Thailand.

 

If any of you MMA guys followed boxing, you'd see that going 10 with Floyd isn't a feat. He's not known as a puncher, his last legit KO was against Hatton who he dragged up a weight class and systematically took him to pieces before knocking him out.

I was fairly impressed with McGregor though, he did a lot better than expected by winning the first round... that for me was it though, he lost every other round based on how fights should be scored. He was the ring general in there, pressuring through basic footwork and causing Conor to throw when he didn't want or need to throw. McGregors offense was not in the least effective to the point he was simply pushing his punches to land on anything he could. It was a farce and a mismatch (although entertaining), the fact a guy who's naturally 2-3 weight classes smaller and boxes off the back foot completely abandoned what's worked his entire career speaks volumes. He stepped to McGregor all night, was in his face and walked him down.

McGregor would never be able to box at 154lbs either, he cut too much weight, he'd be a middleweight in todays landscape, so he'd have to face naturally bigger men. The likes of Canelo and GGG would have shown zero respect from the start as McGregor showed he does not have the power to gain the respect of a natural junior welterweight. To be honest, this fight should never have been sanctioned, it was legalised assault.

 

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, my friend!

Bottom line, the ability of the best UFC fighters to compete against boxers has been exposed as a fantasy. Boxing fans already knew this, but now the general public does as well.

That's the ONLY good thing about this farce, that it has set UFC on a course to go right down the shitter, where it belongs!

 

Dude. No one on either side of the spectrum with any credibility thought this was ever the case.. Likewise, top boxers can't compete in MMA without cross training extensively, there are just so many variables. You're oversimplifying things here and not giving MMA even a modicum of respect.. This is just as bad as the casuals who thought McGregor could beat Floyd at his own game.

 

Bring back Quisling Zakky!

That Muay Thai observation hurt ya, huh - those chicken legs boxers have are a long standing joke here in Thailand.
Muay Thai is the king of the squared ring - we would love some of your athletes to dare venture into our world.

 

MMA is still in its infancy. The talent pool isn't very deep, something many MMA fans either don't see or refuse to accept. MMA fans are thus susceptible to the outrageous hype of the Joe Rogans of the world. Boxing fans are generally much more critical and discerning than MMA fans.

 

I will give respect to MMA fighters as athletes, as certainly it takes athletic ability and skill to compete.

What I do NOT respect is the blather from MMA fighters, commentators and fanboys that this crap is even CLOSE to boxing in terms of athletic accomplishment, and particularly entertainment value.

I think deep down they KNOW that watching a couple of guys roll around on the ground is rather dull, which is why they are so jealous of an action-packed sport like boxing and feel the need to attack it all the time.

 

It's not as black and white as you're making it out to be, but fair enough.... MMA like boxing has it's boring fighters and styles - not everything is "rolling around on the ground" There too are action packed fights that any fan can respect - I suggest that you check out Michael Johnson vs. Justin Gaethje, a UFC fight from earlier this year that was full of action and momentum shifts.

On the ignorant MMA fans who don't understand or appreciate boxing... I've definitely encountered plenty of those on the internet over the years, they're utterly moronic... But the same can be said about a lot of boxing purists who don't understand all of the intangibles and nuances involved in MMA, they oversimplify and devalue the sport... At least you're giving them some credit.