Floyd disrespects Hopkins - who's greater between the two?

Hopkins proved a lot retiring Tito. He was a 3-1 dog. Only 1 boxing writer out of 14 gave him a shot. I would have liked to see Floyd face a P4P champ in their prime. That is truly missing from his resume.

 

Tell me how is Hatton less accomplished the Kelly Pavlik. Hatton retired a much much greater fighter then Taylor in Kosta Tsyzu.


Floyds jumped more weight classes, beaten more champions. If you are looking for a fighter Floyd wouldnt be favored agianst the sorry, Floyd would be favored against anyone from 147 to 160 possibly. So just because Hopkins is viewed as an inferior fighter by the public and the odds doesnt make his victories more significant. Mayweather fought a Kelly Pavlik level fighter in Hatton and was rightfully the favorite, even though Kelly Pavlik had to come up more then Hatton had to come up against Hopkins.

And fought Winky a little high lol? Really? A little high? Come on man.


Fact is, Mayweather best victories have come against bigger men. Hopkins best victories have come against smaller men. Juan Manuel Marquez is an ATG and sure fire hall of famer, Mayweather gets hated on for making him come up 2 weight classes. Well isnt that what Hopkins best victories are? The Oscars, Titos, Wrights? Welterweights who he made jump several weight classes?

 

I didn't make any changes to any numbers.

I consider his first fight with Castillo to have actually been a loss. Most agree.

Hence, in that case, he won a decision.

But not a victory.

No.

But then again, that wasn't my point.



I'm not denying the boy's good, perhaps the best.



But he should have one L on his resume.

 

atsch

 

Floyd has talent. He's a good boxer...

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Trnidad undefeated, Pavlik undefeated, DLH never KO'd before, Wright hadn't lost since the Vargas fight, Tarver ring champ 175 got slapped around the ring at 175<< Glen Johnson, Joppy etc.

Hopkins fought guys like Calzaghe, prime Roy Jones Jr. Hopkins fought everyone. Hopkins is greater than Mayweather and it's not even close.

I think Mosley and DLH are the two best fighters Mayweather ever fought in his entire career

 

Altering it to "decisions" means he had that many decisions over world champions. Meaning not knockouts, making the number that wasn't changed incorrect. Therefore, you inadvertently led me to believe you were making a very different and completely inaccurrate point. That was a "fixed" fail if I ever saw one, now that you've explained what you meant, mate. Next time you "fix" a comment, think about if you've changed it to be factually incorrect and if your point will be clear, please. Otherwise, you're ruining the valued tradition of "fixed" on Internet forums. Then where are we at? The ruin of civilization, that's where. :bart For the record, those kinds of decisions that are disputed by the fans heavily, they're on most well-established fighters records. The statistic remains the same. I'm sorry.

I can say this a thousand times over. Who favored Trinidad over Hopkins is absolutely, completely, utterly meaningless to my rating of that victory. It was an excellent victory and I never claimed otherwise. BUT Trinidad was not proven to be a great middleweight and it seems very, very clear in hindsight, regardless of what the **** people were thinking after Trinidad beat up William "Slayer of Zombie Duran" Joppy, who was clearly to me far from a great middleweight himself. Trinidad= *Great* p4p fighter, *good* middleweight.

 

The principal characteristic of a classic 'fix' is that you only change one word. And since it was 'victories', and I disputed one of those 'victories' I had little choice here.

While this may have created some ambiguity in the minds of some, including your esteemed self, I think a reasoned analysis would always make clear my true intentions.

As Floyd clearly and undisputedly got some of those victories by way of stoppage, one would reasonably conclude that I meant decision to indicate the official result of the bout, and not decision as opposed to a stoppage.


Still, had I realized that the the very continuation of civilization was at stake, I might have struggled a bit more industriously for greater clarity.

I can assure you that next time our great traditions are in such peril, I will choose my fix more carefully !

In this side issue, I picked Hopkins to defeat Trinidad, and felt the bookies were out to a midday meal.

It was a good victory but, given Tito's MW resume before and after the bout, it can not be considered great.

Side side-note. For similar reasons, the BHop over oscar can barely even be considered good.

 

I do believe this whole situation coming to a fair and balanced close deserves a fist bump. Wait...No, SEVERAL fist bumps.

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Head to head Mayweather is the greater fighter but Hopkins resume and acomplishments at an age where he should have long retired suggests his ability during his prime was very underrated and for me make him overall the greater fighter.

It's easy to look great against weak and cherry picked opposition but when you test yourself by fighting the best that is when true greatness is acheived. Mayweather at the lower weights tested himself but at welter he has avoided several meaningful fights in Pacquiao, Cotto and Margarito. While Hopkins even at 46 has signed a 3 fight deal and is looking to fight top opposition in Pascal, Dawson(a fight I thought Hopkins would never agree to) and Bute.

That pretty much sums up why I believe Hopkins is the greater fighter and whether you like it or not, clearly based upon the poll results the majority agrees with me.

 

How is JMM ATG? Beating who? Hall of fame? ok, but ATG? No way. Then put Virgil Hill ATG since Virgil fought 25 title fights. As for Winky vs. Bernard. Winky was high up in weight, but Winky had beaten guys Hopkins size before or close to it and outclassed them like Tito. Hopkins outclassed Tarver and just did well with Pascal. Mayweather does not compete like Hopkins or look for tough fights. As for Pavlik, Pavlik was a big guy 6-2 and equal to Hopkins in height and a harder puncher. He should have been able to handle the weight.
You will see how Pavlik will fight ok moving up in weight in the following months and years, and that will prove it was not Kelly not being used to the weight but rather it was Bernard being good. Bernard took him on and outclassed him. Hatton was overrated a bit and Floyd was bigger and could do everything better than Hatton. Still it took Floyd 11 rounds to stop him. Just the way Pacman stopped Hatton shows how overrated Hatton really was. He fought Tsyzu at the right time. I liked Hatton as a fighter, but he was handpicked by Floyd the way Floyd handpicks all the guys he knows he can beat easily enough. Floyd's best win is Shane. And Hopkins outshines that with his wins over Delahoya and Tito.

 

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You really comparing Virgil Hill to JMM. atsch Have you been asleep the last 3 years and not seen what JMM has done. He'll be the first Mexican to win a belt in 4 divisions. watch.

Name them. Winky got a draw against Taylor. Then went up even more weight and was visibly fat at the weight and not nearly at his best.

Antonio Tarver wouldnt be Floyds 5th best victory. Corrales, Castillo, Hatton, Hernandez, Gatti, Judah are all more accomplished then Tarver. Tarvers claim to fame is knocking out a faded Roy Jones Jr.

Once agian you ignore facts for no good reason. Mayweather has won titles in 5 divisions and beaten more champions then Hopkins. How exactly does hopkins look for more tough fights then Mayweather? Mayweather has more great victories at 130 then Hopkins does at 160. And more great victories at welter then hopkins does at light heavyweight. You have no argument.

If he fights any fighter above B level he gets schooled. Bute beats him, so does Dirrel, froch and Ward. He's not that good a fighter as proven by Martinez.

No he wasnt. Hatton weighed more on the night.
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Hatton called Mayweather out. Not the other way around.

Mayweathers best win is arguably Corrales, Castillo or De La Hoya. And unlike Hopkins he was the small man when he fought these guys, he was comign up in weight against the bigger fighter, Hopkins was making the smaller fighter come up to him. Maywathers victories are superior just on that reason alone.

The fact you list DLH who lost to friggin Sturm before he fought Hopkins shows how weak Hopkins resume is when compared to Floyds.

 

I voted Floyd, Bernard is great too but he has been beaten and Floyd hasn't.