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YOUNG*LORD · Apr 4, 2008

Gunns4hire said:

:good

This is free publicity though !!! Deep down i think they want a job at Mayweather Promotions!
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publicity is that greasy gayweather pic you have as an avatar:hi:

YOUNG*LORD · Apr 4, 2008

Raging B(_)LL said:

I would like to address a few things that were said in this thread, so here goes:

For starters, Floyd beating the linear title holder Baldomir means nothing, and I am NOT saying this because I am a hater... I am older and wiser than that and have been following this sport for long enough to be above such petty bickering and mud slinging. The linear title holder is not necessarily the best fighter of the division, and Baldomir was a perfect example of that so for those of you who are trying to make this out to be some kind if meaningful victory for Floyd look foolish doing so.

Baldomir was made to order for him, he is slow of both hand and foot, does not know how to cut off the ring effectively and is not really a puncher per se. Floyd was supposed to win that fight and he did just that against a limited foe, although the manner in which he won left a lot to be desired as while I did not expect Floyd to engage his foe, I did not think he was going to run a marathon either.

Now as for Floyd severing his ties to Arum to further his career, it made sense from a business standpoint and I do not begrudge him for it... this is a brutal sport after all that has seen far too many former expugs down on their luck after days were over and Floyd took matters in his own hands to make sure that didn`t happen to him and I respect that. But with that said, his actions since going on his own have clearly shown themselves to be purely for maximum reward versus minimum risk, and to the true boxing fans like myself and others here that is a major disapointment.

Floyd is a talented fighter and would have fared well in any era, although I do tend to think he is grossly overrated by many of the younger posters here whos knowledge of former greats is clearly rather limited if not altogether non-existant. Floyd can fight almost anyone in the welterweight division at this point and make good money since he has become a household name thanks to DLH, but he has seemingly no interest in doing so and if he wants it that way that is fine.

But if that is the case he has no right to place himself in the same pantheon of former greats who unlike him sought out the best available competition to prove that they were the best... he can`t have his cake and eat it too if he is choosing to take the path of least resistance. If you proclaim yourself as the best fighter in your division and the whole world as Floyd likes to, than you have to prove that in the ring against worthy opponents and he hasnt done that.

I know this post of mine will get attacked left, right and centre by many of Mayweathers most ardent supporters and that is fine as I am not concerned about what some teenyboppers have to say. But for any of them to deny that Floyd has taken the path of least resistance since his move up to 140 is laughable. His comp at 130-135 is another matter and I am not questioning his resume there, but for the past few years he has not exactly endeared himself to the true followers of this sport with his antics and it looks like it will stay that way for some time to come if not for the rest of his career.

I know he is popular within the black community (not all mind you, I know many who cannot stand him) and the inner city youth and hip hop scene who relate to his whole bling bling nonsense and whatnot. But for the rest of us we expect more from the so-called best fighter in the welterweight division, as one poster said before me it is one thing to say you are the best, and another thing altogether to prove in the ring and he hasn`t done that.
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great ****ing post!:thumbsup

maciek4 · Apr 5, 2008

Ramshall1 said:

uhhh, EM beat Pac . . . it was a rubbermatch of two entertaining as hell fights. You have a point about the MAB rematch and I was saying back then that Id much rather the JMM rematch be made instead.

Cotto better face a real WW???? Cotto's win over SHane is better than any of Frauds wins at WW. Cotto stopped Zab, while Fraud went the distance. :deal

Cotto was green when Fraud called him out, now that hes ready - Fraus is once again in ducking mode.

If Cotto loses to Margarito he will still have my respect for having the courage to get in the ring with him to begin with without making stupid excuses.
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MAB-PAc rematch was justified. Simply because MAB was favoured to win the first fight and it was a huge upset. MAB rebounded and people were calling for this rematch for years. In Floyds case he wants a rematch against an old inactive legend who he already defeated and a smaller Hatton who he defeated clearly and Hatton hasnt even won any fights after FM.

pit · Apr 5, 2008

Ramshall1 said:

uhhh, EM beat Pac . . . it was a rubbermatch of two entertaining as hell fights. You have a point about the MAB rematch and I was saying back then that Id much rather the JMM rematch be made instead.

Ramshall1 said:

better face a real WW???? Cotto's win over SHane is better than any of Frauds wins at WW. Cotto stopped Zab, while Fraud went the distance. :deal
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To Funny, floyd sigh to fight Zab and everyone start speculating on how zab is going to KO floyd , Zab goes on to lose to Baldi , then everyone is crying that floyd should fight the rightful error of the welter weight , "baldi" every boxing credit with a name stated that Baldi had earned his shot against the 1# p4p king , and that if he fought Zab it would be shameful , guess what floyd fights both zab and Baldi , and there still excuses .

Floyd beat Zab straight up and down , so badly in fact Zab has to cheat to keep from getting KOed and because of the **** actions caused was able to rest for 20 min .. Cotto on the other hand had to cheat as to not get blown out in the first round a little fact you guy hate to admit.

Ramshall1 said:

Cotto was green when Fraud called him out, now that hes ready - Fraus is once again in ducking mode.
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Funny how Arum had no problem throwing a very young floyd (just turned 22) with 17 fights in with a champion veteran with a combined 40 fights. but when Floyd call cotto out , cotto was 25 with 22 fights and was the WBO champ but he was considered Green at the time :good atsch

Ramshall1 said:

Cotto loses to Margarito he will still have my respect for having the courage to get in the ring with him to begin with without making stupid excuses.
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Cotto already stated that he had not interest in fighting a meaningless fight with Margarito
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pit · Apr 5, 2008

maciek4 said:

MAB-PAc rematch was justified. Simply because MAB was favoured to win the first fight and it was a huge upset. MAB rebounded and people were calling for this rematch for years. In Floyds case he wants a rematch against an old inactive legend who he already defeated and a smaller Hatton who he defeated clearly and Hatton hasnt even won any fights after FM.
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mab-pac rematch was not justified, MAB was already on the slide the back to back losses to Jr jones were he took a lot of shots and the war with Morales and Kenny McKenny and the many fights in between had already put too many miles on MAB odometer, the man was 29 but looked as though he was 35.

maciek4 · Apr 5, 2008

pit said:

To Funny, floyd sigh to fight Zab and everyone start speculating on how zab is going to KO floyd , Zab goes on to lose to Baldi , then everyone is crying that floyd should fight the rightful error of the welter weight , "baldi" every boxing credit with a name stated that Baldi had earned his shot against the 1# p4p king , and that if he fought Zab it would be shameful , guess what floyd fights both zab and Baldi , and there still excuses .

Floyd beat Zab straight up and down , so badly in fact Zab has to cheat to keep from getting KOed and because of the **** actions caused was able to rest for 20 min .. Cotto on the other hand had to cheat as to not get blown out in the first round a little fact you guy hate to admit.

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Yea everyone was calling for that fight Floyd-Baldo :rofl

Floyd lost 4 or 5 rounds to Zab. You got the fights confused, Cotto dominated every round with Zab and it was Cotto who beat him up and down from pillar to post and knocked him the **** out. The only reason Zab "won" few rounds with Cotto was because he managed to stun him a few times (in rounds that he was losing) and Floyd might also stun Cotto a few times before he gets KTFO.

maciek4 · Apr 5, 2008

pit said:

mab-pac rematch was not justified, MAB was already on the slide the back to back losses to Jr jones were he took a lot of shots and the war with Morales and Kenny McKenny and the many fights in between had already put too many miles on MAB odometer, the man was 29 but looked as though he was 35.
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After he lost to PAc (which was a HUGE upset) MAB went on to defeat Erik Morales convincingly this time and Erik went on to beat Pac, MAB also went on a 6 fight win streak and won belts in the process. This justifies the rematch.

Symphenyceo · Apr 5, 2008

maciek4 said:

Yea everyone was calling for that fight Floyd-Baldo :rofl

Floyd lost 4 or 5 rounds to Zab. You got the fights confused, Cotto dominated every round with Zab and it was Cotto who beat him up and down from pillar to post and knocked him the **** out. The only reason Zab "won" few rounds with Cotto was because he managed to stun him a few times (in rounds that he was losing) and Floyd might also stun Cotto a few times before he gets KTFO.
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4 to 5 rounds? you know after saying that bull**** you have to post a scorecard.

freddy-wak · Apr 5, 2008

Symphenyceo said:

4 to 5 rounds? you know after saying that bull**** you have to post a scorecard.
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zab won 4 clear rounds, and even dropped him once...but they didnt count it....

if that fight would've been stopped in the 10th round cause of rogers dumbass, it wouldn't of been a robbery for floyd, cause in my eyes, zab had clearly won 4, and there was one close round that i didnt really score.....plus if the knockdown would've counted, it would've been a victory for zab......

you gotta take all these what if's into consideration in this fight, cause it was alot closer then what people really though......but since it's floyd, his fanboys will always have it 120-108 :deal

freddy-wak · Apr 5, 2008

35 SEC INTO IT.....HAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

http://youtube.com/watch?v=din0rds-EfI

Raging B(_)LL · Apr 5, 2008

bigtime9 said:

this post is so much bull**** on many levels but let's start from the top shall we:hey
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Funny, I feel the same way about everything you just wrote.

As for Baldomir he earned the right to fight for the title simply because he was considered a soft touch on the way to a matchup against Mayweather, nothing more. Judah while athletically gifted is not a great fighter either, the fact that he lost to someone of Baldomirs ilk confirms what I and many others already knew which was that he always lacked the discipline and focus required to stay on top.

For this reason I don`t consider beating someone like Judah a big accomplishment for either Floyd or Cotto. And nothing I said in my previous post was disparaging or insulting to either Mayweather or Baldomir, don`t be such a drama queen young fellow. One doesn`t have to get all emotional and resort to hyperbole to try and make a point ya know.

Now then, as for Floyd winning a title in his fourth weight division and third ring title it looks nice on paper, but on closer examination the titles he won and defended at 140/147 were not exactly done against opponents who were to pose serious threats to him now were they? As for your mention of Duran and Leonard and the titles they won at higher weights, they were done against more competent fighters than what Floyd has faced so far with the exception of LaLonde who was ordinary by any standard.

Hatton was smaller and stylistically suited for a sharpshooter like Mayweather, and Judah although having the tools to beat Floyd never did have the focus to sustain a fight plan for 12 rounds and is a front runner at heart, once a fight stops going his way he is incapable of adjusting. As for your claim that there is a double standard applied to Floyd, it is true but that goes both ways and includes/applys to both his die-hard supporters and detractors alike.

As for Oscar he was the money man and big payday and nothing else... at his age he is not a real threat anymore and stylistically Floyd was going to pose a lot of problems for him at this stage of his career. He fought a better fight than I expected though and I had the fight a draw, but his suspect stamina came back to haunt him yet again and he couldnt close the show in style. Take the DLH of the Vargas fight and he stops Floyd in my opinion, no doubt about it as far as I`m concerned.

And if you had bothered to read more attentively you nitwit you would have noticed that I did not criticize Floyd`s resume at 130/135, weights at which I do consider him at his best and where I believe he would give many former greats who I rate higher than him fits. But at jr.welter/welter he hasn`t fought the kind of quality opposition he did at the lower weights and as such I do not rate him there at all.

And I don`t consider titles a fighter wins in his career at higher weights a very notable achievement if it was won and/or defended against subpar opposition. Floyd is cherry picking his opponents at this stage of his career because he wants to retire undefeated and does not want to jeopardize that by taking on risky opposition unless the reward outweights the risk and that is not the attitude of someone who willing to put his money were his mouth is and prove he is the top dog in his division.

As for your constant mention of Cotto and my reffering to him shows that you A)either cannot read or B)did not even bother to read everything I wrote because if you had done so you would have noticed that I did made no mention of Cotto in my original post you dummy, so why are you bringing his name up constantly?

And finally your assertion that my mention of Floyds appeal to the urban youth and the whole hippity hopper angle that appeals to that demographic somehow has revealed my true colours is horse****. I only care about what takes place in the ring, not outside of it and my criticisms of Floyd are valid as far as I am concerned and if you don`t like it that is fine with me and I couldn`t care less.
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KO Boxing · Apr 5, 2008

freddy-wak said:

35 SEC INTO IT.....HAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

http://youtube.com/watch?v=din0rds-EfI
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You couldn't possibly edit that any better for Judah, ay? And hows the question marks at the end after the decision's been annouced, as if it was a bad decision or something?

Still maintain that the low blow (one of the most blatant I've ever seen) was to escape a KO loss... Gotta love Floyd's composure throughout the ENTIRE melee afterwards though. :good And he was probably the only one that had a legitimate reason to be angry!

freddy-wak · Apr 5, 2008

Raging B(_)LL said:

bigtime9 said:

Funny, I feel the same way about everything you just wrote.

As for Baldomir he earned the right to fight for the title simply because he was considered a soft touch on the way to a matchup against Mayweather, nothing more. Judah while athletically gifted is not a great fighter either, the fact that he lost to someone of Baldomirs ilk confirms what I and many others already knew which was that he always lacked the discipline and focus required to stay on top.

For this reason I don`t consider beating someone like Judah a big accomplishment for either Floyd or Cotto. And nothing I said in my previous post was disparaging or insulting to either Mayweather or Baldomir, don`t be such a drama queen young fellow. One doesn`t have to get all emotional and resort to hyperbole to try and make a point ya know.

Now then, as for Floyd winning a title in his fourth weight division and third ring title it looks nice on paper, but on closer examination the titles he won and defended at 140/147 were not exactly done against opponents who were to pose serious threats to him now were they? As for your mention of Duran and Leonard and the titles they won at higher weights, they were done against more competent fighters than what Floyd has faced so far with the exception of LaLonde who was ordinary by any standard.

Hatton was smaller and stylistically suited for a sharpshooter like Mayweather, and Judah although having the tools to beat Floyd never did have the focus to sustain a fight plan for 12 rounds and is a front runner at heart, once a fight stops going his way he is incapable of adjusting. As for your claim that there is a double standard applied to Floyd, it is true but that goes both ways and includes/applys to both his die-hard supporters and detractors alike.

As for Oscar he was the money man and big payday and nothing else... at his age he is not a real threat anymore and stylistically Floyd was going to pose a lot of problems for him at this stage of his career. He fought a better fight than I expected though and I had the fight a draw, but his suspect stamina came back to haunt him yet again and he couldnt close the show in style. Take the DLH of the Vargas fight and he stops Floyd in my opinion, no doubt about it as far as I`m concerned.

And if you had bothered to read more attentively you nitwit you would have noticed that I did not criticize Floyd`s resume at 130/135, weights at which I do consider him at his best and where I believe he would give many former greats who I rate higher than him fits. But at jr.welter/welter he hasn`t fought the kind of quality opposition he did at the lower weights and as such I do not rate him there at all.

And I don`t consider titles a fighter wins in his career at higher weights a very notable achievement if it was won and/or defended against subpar opposition. Floyd is cherry picking his opponents at this stage of his career because he wants to retire undefeated and does not want to jeopardize that by taking on risky opposition unless the reward outweights the risk and that is not the attitude of someone who willing to put his money were his mouth is and prove he is the top dog in his division.

As for your constant mention of Cotto and my reffering to him shows that you A)either cannot read or B)did not even bother to read everything I wrote because if you had done so you would have noticed that I did made no mention of Cotto in my original post you dummy, so why are you bringing his name up constantly?

And finally your assertion that my mention of Floyds appeal to the urban youth and the whole hippity hopper angle that appeals to that demographic somehow has revealed my true colours is horse****. I only care about what takes place in the ring, not outside of it and my criticisms of Floyd are valid as far as I am concerned and if you don`t like it that is fine with me and I couldn`t care less.
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it's a constant thing with these floydboys...all they do is hate fighters that will threaten mayweather.....nobody is even saying they'll beat him, but if he wants respect and not money, then he will have to step his game up and fight guys that wanna rip him a new one, and not just spar with him......:deal
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freddy-wak · Apr 5, 2008

KO Boxing said:

You couldn't possibly edit that any better for Judah, ay? And hows the question marks at the end after the decision's been annouced, as if it was a bad decision or something?

Still maintain that low blow (one of the most blatant I've ever seen) was to escape a KO loss... Gotta love Floyd's composure throughout the ENTIRE melee though. :good And he was probably the only one that had a legitimate reason to be angry!
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i was only talking about that knockdown, i could care less for the rest.......

i was trying to point out that if the fight would've been stopped in judah's favor (roger broke the rules bigtime), there would have been no argument with juday winning the fight.....why, cause floyd wasn't dominating ****......

if everything would've went how it was supposed to that night, judah would've won by dq, but also on the cards he was up by atleast 1 point.....with the knockdown being scored :deal

KO Boxing · Apr 5, 2008

freddy-wak said:

i was only talking about that knockdown, i could care less for the rest.......

i was trying to point out that if the fight would've been stopped in judah's favor (roger broke the rules bigtime), there would have been no argument with juday winning the fight.....why, cause floyd wasn't dominating ****......

if everything would've went how it was supposed to that night, judah would've won by dq, but also on the cards he was up by atleast 1 point.....with the knockdown being scored :deal
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:huh

Floyd was up 6-3 at worst (6-2-1 maybe). That's 86-84 including the point deduction for the knockdown. Officially 87-84. And isn't there a 2 point deduction for blatant fouls like that? Round 10 coulda easilly been a 10-7 round for Mayweather if that was the case.

Furthermore, the ref had clearly called time before Roger jumped into the ring. So no DQ either.

Funny how an off balance shot where Mayweather's glove touches the canvas, of all things, is one of the main things people can use to bring him down (career wise, anyhow)

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