Floyd fans: Why should Floyd get credit for beating a *cheat?

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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Yes it is. The win is great because it would prove that no one in his era approached his greatness. It's the Tiger Woods argument. For a little while, people tried to knock Tiger because they said he didn't have any comp. After a while, critics realized that was a stupid argument and the fact that he was so much better than all of his peers was one of the things that made him so great. Maybe in another era, some of these guys would be the best fighter out there. But we're not in another era, we're in this era. And in this era, Mayweather clearly stands out above the rest. The fact that fighters would feel the need to cheat just to compete with him validates his extraordinary talent. Even if you say he shouldn't get credit for the win against Pacquiao, you have to elevate his career as a whole considering Pac is supposed to rival Mayweather in terms of greatness and he would've only approached that level by cheating.
     
  2. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    I'm a joyboy, so I'm used to my fighter getting little credit for his wins.
     
  3. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Its not a great WIN, it just shows he Floyd was greater than we thought as his only rival was a cheat, but hes not great by virtue of this win. The win itself is nothing special, he didnt beat anyone special. If your happy with that conclusion, fair enough...but it still highly devalues this singular win.

    O'll say one thing though, the greatest fighters in history became known as GREAT by beating other great fighters...not because they proved their opponents were subpar and frauds. Heck forget tigerwoods effect, might aswell use Klitschko effect :lol:
     
  4. Atlanta

    Atlanta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You guys think this is about this one fight? Not even close if Mayweather crushes Pacquiao regardless of whether Pacquiao is cheating or not, it places Mayweather completely in charge of the greatest fighter of the last 20 years.
     
  5. Xerant

    Xerant Gotta Hate negociations! Full Member

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    but lets say its not an written exam. Lets say its a fight and your going to get your ass beat because your a cheater... I dont give a **** if hes not getting credit.

    BEAT THE LITTLE CHEAT ****ER!!!!!
     
  6. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    greatest of the last 20 years on what? he won't have taken on any great challenges. Not a prime Mosley, not a prime Cotto, not a prime Oscar, not a prime Tszyu

    His greatest challenge will have been a prime Castillo which most people believe he went 1-1 with.

    Greatest fighter since RJJ maybe.
     
  7. TheJuggernaut

    TheJuggernaut Hitchslap Full Member

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    How's the koolaid?
     
  8. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm a pac-fan and its even worse. Got the haters crying about PEDs
     
  9. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    You can only fight the guys that are in your era. You can't knock a guy because he's clearly better than his peers. It would be incredibly stupid to do so. You would basically be saying, "Floyd's not that great because nobody out there is as great as him". That would be just silly. Mayweather has already clearly proved himself. Singular wins from here on out are simply cherries on top, they will not define him. Basically, whether or not beating Pacquiao is considered a great win is irrelevant. He's already beaten numberous top contenders, champs, and future HOFers over 5 divisions. If you say Pac was never on drugs, then he gets an extra star for beating another great fighter. If you say Pac was on drugs, then he's had a great career regardless and he's clearly the best fighter of his era.
     
  10. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You are just a moron so you think it is babbling.

    Mosley was never caught. He was associated with a cheater by paper work and fully cooperated with an investigation you idiot. Also when challenged on cheating, by FMJ, he again fully cooperated with testing showing that he is for clean matches in spirit. On top of that Shane has an amature pedigree that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the man has skills.

    The problem is that Pac blasted those guys out, OK. Then when challenged he waffled and turned down the fight. Not only did he turn down the fight, he fought an in camp fighter in a state with a lax commission. On top of that the commission decided not to do ANY drug testing!

    Like I said you Powder Puff Princess, you are comparing apples to oranges. The win over Mosley is the goods. You can debate all day about age.
     
  11. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    The dudes issuing FOTD awards don't agree with you.
     
  12. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    good thing some people know their ****.

    those same dudes got PBF p4p#2 and FOTD runner up so in that sense you can't say he isn't getting credit.
     
  13. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    I learned to stop caring so much about legacies and how much credit a fighter gets when he's still active. After someone retires and all the emotions calm down the truth will come out. Lovers will overrate, and haters will underrate during the present.
     
  14. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Again, here your dumb ass goes using bad arguments.

    What your model fails to acknowledge is that to be exposed as a cheat you needed to VOLUNTARILY submit to some form of protocol to prevent you from cheating in the third exam. Without your cooperation or being FORCED there wouldn't be a way for anyone to know you cheated.

    So to put Pac into your model, Pac never cooperates with the protocol that could possibly prevent him from testing so therefore never puts himself into a position to be caught!

    Do you see the difference idiot?:roll:
     
  15. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    dangerousity , you're arguing with Floyd nuthuggers. Not really gonna get anywhere.