Floyd fighting going backwards vs Cotto fighting going backwards??

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  1. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm curious about something fellas. When Floyd fights, his opponent is usually the aggressor, and floyd is the counter puncher. Floyd has fought quite a few times going backwards and people appreciate it b/c that's what they are use to. That's cool with me too. I see no problems with it. The few times that Floyd is the aggressor, people love that even more. I'm cool with that too.

    Cotto for most of his career has been known to be the aggressive pressure fighter. He hasnt had to fight off his back foot on many occassions except for N'dou, Abdullaev, and Mosley. Most people never saw him fight N'dou and Abdullaev. Now, here is my problem. I don't understand the double standard here. Why do people automatically believe that just b/c Cotto is not pressuring, he is losing the fight. When he fought Mosley, he knew he couldnt KO Mosley, so he decided to just counter the **** out of him, which he thoroughly did. just b/c mosley was the aggressor doesnt mean he was being effective.

    Anyone who has seen the N'dou and Abdullaev fight will have already known this side of Cotto. He isnt some one-dimensional fighter who goes for the KO every time. Against those 2, he fought going backwards nearly the entire fight.

    The same people who Floyd beat DLH b/c he was countering DLH and beating him to the punch all night are the same people saying that Mosley beat Cotto b/c Cotto was going backwards most of the fight.

    it doesnt make sense. Cotto pretty much did to Mosley what Floyd did to DLH, which is to counter him and outbox him. People were just so shocked that Cotto was going backwards that they assumed he was struggling.

    Anyways, just had to bring that up b/c so many Floyd lovers/cotto haters keep trying to argue that he barely beat Mosley, which in my opinion was a more convincing victory that what Floyd had over DLH.
     
  2. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cotto has certainly improved. one thing i will say however is that it's not so much that Cotto has been doing newly learned things in the ring. I think it's that he has had opponents to just bring it back out of him. If you have see cotto in his earlier years, he was very similar to how he is now. It's just that people really didnt know about Cotto until the Sosa fight.

    by that time, he had started making a name for being a pure pressure boxer/pucher. Where in reality, he has always had great boxing ability.

    But yeah, haters want to look at him going backwards as some sign of weakness. They dont want to admit that he just showed them a new/rekindled facet to his fight game.

    it scares the **** out of them.
     
  3. Sandmanl337

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    Great post.. Before the Mosley fight, I pretty much tought Cotto was the aggresive fighter, but when I saw him on his backfoot against Mosley, I knew he wasn't losing, but had simply switched his style to counter-punch him the whole fight.. Hell, he was even on his backfoot against Gomez and he dominated him.. Both Cotto and Mayweather are good on their backfoots, but I think Cotto would pretty much be the aggressor against Mayweather as I rarely ever see Mayweather as the aggressive one in a fight..
     
  4. Thread Stealer

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    Cotto has always been effective on the backfoot and using lateral movement.

    People just have short memories so they go "Oh wow, Cotto is boxing now instead of coming forward and pressuring, he never did that before" when in fact Cotto has always been able to do both.
     
  5. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think Cotto knows who he can and cant be aggressive with. Mosley has always been so strong. it would be foolish to pressure him for an entire fight when you know what time of power he possesses. not only that, but if you know he has a concrete chin, why be stupid when you fight him.

    Cotto knew this, so he fought wisely.
     
  6. Sandmanl337

    Sandmanl337 Pactard Full Member

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    Cotto's confidence, abilities, and skills are scary..
     
  7. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Personally, I scored the Mosley/Cotto fight a draw. My scoring had more to do with Cotto getting hit than him going backwards. Cotto and Mosley landed the same amount of punches(Mosley landed more power shots). Mayweather landed almost twice as many punches as DLH and more power punches.

    There were rounds that Floyd was going backwards and not landing so I gave the round to Hoya. There were other times where Floyd was going backwards but still landing most of clean shots while Oscar was just flurrying. I gave those rounds to Floyd.

    The last two rounds of the Cotto/Mosley fight really illustrate my point. In both rounds, Mosley had Cotto backing up. However, in round 11, Cotto was effectively countering Mosley and I gave him the round. In round 12, Cotto was basically fighting as if he had the fight in the bag. Neither fighter landed many good punches, but Mosley was pressing the action. Being that neither fighter was clearly landing the better shots, I gave the round to Mosley because he was pressing the action.
     
  8. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    EXACTLY!!:good
     
  9. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    that sounds about right. I remember on my card, I had it scored 7-4 with one round even.
     
  10. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    Floyd Boys just haven't watched the fight enough. The first time they watched the fight the resented Cotto for being a threat to Floyd and saw what they wanted to see: a means by which to discredit his talent. Personally, I am a huge mosely fan so the first time i saw the fight i saw it their way too. But I've seen it several times since and have always been impressed by Cotto and what he did. I was able to see the light because I'm a rational individual. Floyd boys just want to stick their heads in the sand all the time and pretent Floyd is unstoppable. When they do pull their heads out of the sand they only see what they want to see.
     
  11. evalistinho

    evalistinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well i am a Floyd fan AND a Cotto fan and i just wanted to say that Cotto adapted to Mosley style and that kind of shocked everybody because everyone thought Cotto was just going to go and bang the body and were surprised that he was actually out boxing Shane. He is becoming more versatile.

    jlrivera81 your avatar is awesome! you know where i can get it?
     
  12. randeris

    randeris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Has Mayweather ever faced anyone as allround good as Cotto? Strong, powerful, fast, can counter, can pressure. Id say no, which is why i want this fight like crazy.
     
  13. liljp361

    liljp361 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    sorry but mayweather will always be better than cotto...
     
  14. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i can appreciate the unbiased fight fan.

    here is the full size picture i got my avatar from.

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  15. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    unless you can contribute to the thread, shut up.