Floyd gives his top 5 all time

As far as his list, it's his prerogative. Personally I think he should study some film on Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong. Shocked he didn't have either of those guys in his top five, but based on his list he decided to stay with the more contemporary ATG's

Would've been cool for him to mention Benny Leonard , willie pep or joe gans. Those are the closest defensive stalwarts and ring generals that remind me of mayweather a lot.

 

Mayweather knows nothing of boxing history. He owes all of his success to his father for beating him into fighting shape from age 1, and teaching him things that he knew but couldn't do well himself.
But in the same light, Floyd Sr destroyed Floyd's soul and gave him boxing ability instead.

 

Absolutely spot on.

 

Actually Floyd is at his best at 130 which is where JCC spent the first 7 years of his career and looked his most untouchable. At 130 Floyd ducked nobody and dominated all comers. Floyd at 130 does not lose to anybody. As for Duran the fight would have been at 135 where Floyd was still a killer and didn't duck anyone Soooooo........

 

The stats but russ does what it takes to win. I'm about intangibles

 

This topic has been beaten to death a million times on this forum.

Who exactly do you classsify as ATG's since Pernell and Chavez Sr stopped fighting? By my calculations, the only TRUE ATG's since than are ROy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins, Manny Pacquiao and FLoyd Mayweather.

SO who exactly did FLoyd avoid/duck during his career that was a prime ATG that was campaigning in and around his weight class?

Do you consider Naseem Hamed an ATG? I sure don't, and I also don't think he ever fancied a shot with Floyd at a CW of 128.

How about Frietas or casamayor? Either of them ATG's? Casa was a helluva slickster and one of my favorite fighters of the late 90's/early 2000's, but it didn't look like him or Frietas wanted anything to do with Mayweather at 135 lbs. Still, neither of those 135 lb champs are ATG's, point blank.

So who else, Kostya maybe at 140 lbs? At the time KOstya was a fading 140 lb fighter when FLoyd was at the tail end of his campaign at 135 lbs. It was around the time he moved up to 140 lbs when Hatton beat Kostya for the lineal championship. Now is Kostya an ATG? That's highly debatable but FLoyd would've never had an opportunity to face a PRIME version of him. By the time FLoyd was finishing off his time at 135, Kostya was past it. Also, neither man was considered a PPV fighter, so it would be inane to think Showtime (kostya's network,) and HBO (FLoyd's,) would hold a dual PPV event ala Tyson or Manny-Floyd.

So what other ATG's are there at this juncture- say at 147? Is Paul WIlliams an ATG? How about Antonio Margarito? Not only is neither guy an ATG, neither guy would give FLoyd the exposure and monetary benefits in comparing them with the likes of De La Hoya and Hatton.

So who else am I missing here? What prime ATG's have there been from 130-154 that Floyd meticulously avoided throughout his career? the only guy was Manny P, a fight that should've materialized 5 years ago. At least the fight went off, and both men still had plenty left in their tanks (Pacman was looking very sharp after the JMM KO and did a nice job for the next 2 years resurrecting his career.)

So this idea that Floyd avoided prime ATG's is just stupid since none existed for him to fight against. He could never fight ROy JOnes, Ceasar Chavez sr or Whitaker in the 90's and the one guy that is classified as a true ATG in and around his weightclass, he's already beaten.

 

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James Toney is an ATG. Wlad is an ATG.

Tell me this: How, in 19 years, have 49 fights, split across THREE different decades, but not meet an ATG in their prime at their optimal weight? How? He has been through 5 divisions after all... Why don't other fighters in the same era have that problem? Why is it only Floyd that has this problem?

 

Stop agreeing with yourself, you loon.

 

I told you in another thread to stop addressing me you know nothing troll. You don't know **** about boxing.:deal Anyone who picks a guy who only fights at one range can't cut off the ring has no jab can't adjust and went life and death with JMM for 4 fights to beat PBF can't be taken serious for boxing debate.

 

Right because Baldimor was a somebody like I said all the guys listed had the stones to face himand they knew who he was but we know he was no one atsch but when it comes to Floyd its excuses 101

And well if he doesn't fight him or that guy it's a cherry pick but in reality that's exactly what it was when he presented the following opportunities in Wright And Margarito he chose the atg great monster in Baldimor who had 9 losses before facing Floyd ..He was the equivalent of Soto Karass picking up a belt but Im sure you would elevate him as well if he had beat Judah to suit your agenda

 

Imagine if Mike Tyson cooked down from HW in 1988 and became world champ at CW, LHW and SMW. Floyd would rate him at #1!!!

 

What part of Baldo was the man at 147 don't you understand? Those are facts your opinion of him is irrelevant he was indeed the champ at 147.:deal Another fact is Margo was a no body in the division at that time he wasn't a draw and had no wins of note back then. Speaking of cherry picks, what would have been a cherry pick would have been PBF facing Margo a weak belt holder instead of Baldo the champ.:deal

 

Margo was a nobody at the time huh enough for Arum to offer him one of his biggest pay days at the time ..Look you can justify it all you want but it was what it was a blanket duck and cherry pick ..Funny everyone else knew who he was but you didn't

And Baldimor had 9 losses ,9 when he fought Floyd yet you want to call Margaito a weak belt holder man this is to easy

 

You mean the same Margo that Arum said that PBF agreed to fight along with Hatton and Cotto but Arum wouldn't make the Oscar fight? You mean that Arum?:deal

The point is you can't blame PBF for fighting the linear champ when the fight was offered to him. You wouldn't blame anyone else for doing it. If Margo had fought him you wouldn't say anything but of course you bash every move PBF makes.