Floyd haters, I am getting mixed signals from yous. Can you give me some clarity

Danny_Rand · May 5, 2009

It seems that you are saying that Floyd is a coward, he's a cherry picker, yadda yadda yadda, but at the same time, you are saying that this will be the toughest fight of his career, that Marquez will fight Floyd real close.

So which is it. Gee, this sounds like alot that was said abou Oscar and Hatton. That Floyd new that he'd beat these guys, but also that they'd be the toughest fights of his career. Hmm, sounds kinda contradictory.

Why you arent hedging your bets are ya?

chimba · May 5, 2009

This just reflects how Floyd has never been one to challenge himself

A natural SFW as a potential toughest opponent to date says alot

Money7 · May 5, 2009

cause they just hate and want to see him lose... even though deep down inside.. those haters know that it's gonna take a excellent gameplan to execute in order to defeat mayweather... lol

everyone who is named to face mayweather will give him his "toughest fight" until the fight ends in a W for mayweather... then it's on to the next opponent and the same thing...it just keeps gettin recycled

DobyZhee · May 5, 2009

one day..just one day, he could have waited and had Pacquiao as his next opponent.

DINAMITA · May 5, 2009

I am not a Floyd hater, I am a Floyd fan but also a Floyd critic. I love watching him when he's on his game (his schooling of N'Dou is one of my favourite fights), but I do believe he is guilty of cherrypicking above 135.

So I'll give you my answer anyway: I think Floyd sees Marquez as the easier option than Mosley, so he went with Marquez. However, as a Marquez fan I have no complaints. I am excited about the fight, and I think Dinamita will indeed give Floyd a test.

aztec1 · May 5, 2009

DobyZhee said: ↑

one day..just one day, he could have waited and had Pacquiao as his next opponent.
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you hit it right in the head.

Polymath · May 5, 2009

Danny_Rand said: ↑

It seems that you are saying that Floyd is a coward, he's a cherry picker, yadda yadda yadda, but at the same time, you are saying that this will be the toughest fight of his career, that Marquez will fight Floyd real close.

So which is it. Gee, this sounds like alot that was said abou Oscar and Hatton. That Floyd new that he'd beat these guys, but also that they'd be the toughest fights of his career. Hmm, sounds kinda contradictory.

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Maybe its different people saying those things?

ps, Mayweather is a *****.

Marnoff · May 5, 2009

People will always employ a double standard in attacking Floyd.

Judah was a huge win for Cotto, yet apparently nothing for Floyd. Oscar was huge for Pacquiao, but apparently nothing for Floyd. The list goes on.

Rudyard · May 5, 2009

BazookaJab said: ↑

Floyd vs. Marquez at welterweight AND on PPV is a joke to me. Marquez doesn't have a chance. The only positive thing about this is that it will set up Pacquiao/Mayweather, which is what most people want to see.
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:huh I thought the fight was at 143??

Polymath · May 5, 2009

Marnoff said: ↑

People will always employ a double standard in attacking Floyd.

Judah was a huge win for Cotto, yet apparently nothing for Floyd. Oscar was huge for Pacquiao, but apparently nothing for Floyd. The list goes on.
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But they're different people who are saying those things.

Does everybody here have autism?

Danny_Rand · May 5, 2009

teamgill1 said: ↑

great post:

Mayweather-Pacquiao: The Double Standard

By Michael Herron: The highly anticipated return of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Manny Pacquiao’s dramatic knockout of Ricky Hatton has ignited the boxing world and sparked a great debate; fight fans are anxious to know which guy is the best, who is truly the top pound-for-pound fighter in the world? Pound-for-pound by definition was created to describe a fighter with great skill who can move up and down the scales, challenge fighters in multiple weight classes, and continue to perform and be just as successful as they would at their optimal weight. With this in mind, both fighters fit the description well, but in terms of acknowledging pound-for-pound greatness, there appears to be a double standard in favor of Manny Pacquiao.

Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has won titles in five weight classes, 130, 135, 140, 147, 154, yet none of his ring accomplishments are without criticism from the boxing media. During the Hatton-Pacquiao telecast for instance, Larry Merchant, in reference to Mayweather’s return to boxing, went on a tirade accusing Floyd of cherrypicking opponents, pricing himself out of fights, and flat out ducking fighters.. Yet an obvious fact such as Pacquiao facing an opponent Mayweather has already defeated is never mentioned. It also seemed to fall under the radar that Mayweather had already defeated Pacquiao’s previous opponent Oscar De La Hoya as well.

The irony is that Pacquiao’s claim to being the undisputed best is largely based on these two fights. For the past few years, boxing writers, reporters, diehard fans, and media personalities have adopted an infamous view that Hatton and De La Hoya were merely cherry picked opponents, simply diversions while Mayweather avoided challenges from welterweights Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, and Antonio Margarito; yet these same two opponents are considered grand slam victories for Pacquiao; victories that prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is pound-for-pound the best fighter in the world. How can this be if they were previously declared “cherries?”

Though Pacquiao’s supporters would argue that his wins over Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, and Juan Manuel Marquez catapulted him to this status it was not sealed until Mayweather officially retired in 2008 and Pacquiao went on to defeat De La Hoya later the same year. Pacquiao certainly deserves credit for his victories over such a famous trio of Mexican warriors but in terms of a young fighter establishing himself--climbing the ladder, who can argue that Mayweather did not likewise defeat great fighters in the lighter weights? Surely no one would argue that Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Angel Manfredy, Jose Luis Castillo, were cream puffs.

To further illustrate the double standard enter the #2 pound-for-pound fighter in the world Juan Manuel Marquez. Team Mayweather announced that Floyd will face Marquez on his July 18th return to the sport. He did not choose any old random contender as a tune-up but a multi-division world champion and in many observers opinion, two time conqueror of Manny Pacquiao. (Pacquiao scored a draw and a win against Marquez). The same media proponents that declared Hatton and De La Hoya “cherries” are now blasting Mayweather for taking a fight against proven champion Marquez. They argue that Marquez is too small or that Floyd knows he can beat him etc...Yet if Manny Pacquiao were to accept a third fight against Marquez, he’d be hailed as a true champion, a true warrior, the real pound-for-pound king.

So what is truly going on here? Is it a weight issue? Freddie Roach declared that Pacquiao’s optimal weight is 140 and that is where he will be at his best. Mayweather, being a small welterweight, appears to be at his best somewhere between 140 and 147. In addition, Marquez has been moving up in weight successfully and it is he who called out Mayweather at a catchweight below 147. Is 3-4 pounds really so great a difference that Mayweather has to be persecuted for accepting a fight against Marquez? Catchweights are nothing new in boxing, why is it suddenly an issue now? Assuming Mayweather defeats Marquez, will diehard fans and media raise this same 3-4 pound argument when it is Pacquiao’s turn to face Mayweather?

What is clear is that an answer to who is the best pound-for-pound can not be given based on their performance against common opponents, or their careers at the lighter weights. Both guys have been dynamic and only a battle against each other can settle the matter. It can be noted however that there is a double standard at play when it comes to Mayweather and Pacquiao. The media bashes Mayweather’s accomplishments but hail Pacquiao for achieving the same thing. Also, Freddie Roach has indicated that Pacquiao will not move up to 147 to face Mayweather however it was just fine to move up for De La Hoya. Mayweather is blasted for fighting Marquez but Pacquiao would be a hero if he did the same. What this all indicates is that it is ultimately not simply a case of Mayweather “handpicking” opponents but it is more likely his opponents who are careful about picking him.

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Great article. Floyd is fighting the first fighter in his career that can legitly called the smaller guy. He has fought bigger guys his whole career. Meanwhile, Hopkins gets all the credit in the world for beating welters while he was middleweight and middleweights when he was at light heavy. Obvious hypocrisy. Guys like Williams and Margarito are given credit for coming into welterweight fights at the middleweight limit and beating opponents obviously physical smaller in stature to them.

No doubt if Floyd manages to beat Marquez and Pacquiao, he will not be given credit. Because he's fighting "smaller guys". :rofl

When Floyd called out Oscar, he let Oscar choose the weight, pick the gloves, pick the ring and pick the venue. When Marquez called out Floyd, Floyd will be dropped down to 143-144.

BITCH ASS · May 5, 2009

Rudyard said: ↑

:huh I thought the fight was at 143?? Where da gay sex at??
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You're ****in pathetic......

Marnoff · May 5, 2009

Polymath said: ↑

But they're different people who are saying those things.

Does everybody here have autism?
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Not always.

rickx1 · May 5, 2009

Floyd needs to fight away from his own country for once before he gains any respect from me.

Marnoff · May 5, 2009

Danny_Rand said: ↑

Great article. Floyd is fighting the first fighter in his career that can legitly called the smaller guy. He has fought bigger guys his whole career.

No doubt if Floyd manages to beat Marquez and Pacquiao, he will not be given credit. Because he's fighting "smaller guys". :rofl
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Indeed, it is rarely brought up that Floyd has largely been fighting men bigger than him. He now fights someone smaller and is lambasted for it. It's a joke.

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