Floyd Haters say that Hatton had NO business fighting at 147lbs...

I think Hatton won a lot of his fights at 140lbs as a result of being stronger, being able to enforce his strength and bully his opposition. He found that to be a much harder task when he went up and faced bigger fighters, and had to rely more on technique and his smarts, and that resulted in his fights not going so smoothly. I felt Collazo beat him.

 

The record still shows he beat the **** out of the guy who most have at 1-1 or 2-0 with pacquiao, and beat mosley who was coming off a sensational KO victory of margo....come again? on the age argument...

 

Floyd's not a natural born welter, he's grown into it IMO, but certainly looks like one now. No way on this earth he's getting back down to anything like 130 or 135 now.

Pac probably could get to 140 easily, and that's probably his best weight class right now, but Mayweather looks a true welterweight now.


Why not move to middleweight. His skills are good enough, and I don't see any killers there to avoid. Hearns went from welter to win a legit title at light heavy, that's a big jump, and a real test of his ability.

I don't see any reason why Floyd couldn't fight at middleweight. ODLH tried and failed, but he did try. I think he could pick up a belt at middle, and if he failed, so what?

 

Floyd Mayweather is a welterweight, no two ways about that. He's been successful up at 154lbs and hasn't fought below 147lbs for years now.

There's no legitimate reason why he shouldn't try and prove his big talk by challenging himself up at Middleweight. Leonard did it, Duran did it, Hearns did it, Robinson did it, Napoles did it...and if I'm not mistaken, Floyd considers himself to be greater than all of those aforementioned fighters.

 

You're now saying JMM fighting 2 weight classes above his weight, and Floyd deliberately coming in over the agreed weight, compares to 2 guys fighting in their natural weight class, and both making the limit? He fought Pac at 125 and 130. Not 142 vs 146.

And you're also saying Mosley, at 38, isn't faded?

Hatton had 1 loss before fighting Pac. And fought at his natural weight. (want to go into what round Pac and Floyd won the fights in?)

Mosley was losing fights to the best welters and light middles EIGHT YEARS AGO. You're saying he's better than that now, not faded at all?



Jesus, people like you make me sound like I think Floyd is crap. I don't, I think he's excellent, but the points you make are so biased, so factually wrong it's not funny.

 

I see your point but this is a different situation for Floyd than it was with Oscar. The world wants to see him vs. Pac and most who want him to go to MW want him to lose, not for him to accomplish something. Can he do it? I think so, but the world wanted Oscar to win it(look at the gift decision vs. Sturm) while most want Floyd to fall.

 

Irrelevant.

We're suggesting he move up to 160lbs if the Manny Pacquiao fight cannot be made. Those who want to see him move up to Middleweight realise that nobody south of that division, besides the Filipino, would be competitive with the self-proclaimed "greatest fighter of all time".

 

Isn't that part of Floyds self confessed, master business plan though? To make himself the heel to sell more PPV's?

I want to see Floyd at welter fight Pac.
Or Williams will do, just because of the size difference

I think Floyd would win them both, but would be pushed hard - if he did you would hear ZERO complaints from me about Floyd and his record.

If those can't be made, then yeah, I'd love to see him go to middleweight, and fight the top dog. Why not? Personally, I think he's an arse and would hope he got KTFO, but honestly, I think he's good enough to win. Also, I would like to see if he's good enough to do that. Why not?

Again, if he does, I'll tip my hat to him.

 

And I'm telling you...watch the Collazo fight.

That tells you all you need to know about why 147 is not Ricky's weight class.

 

you talk about Collazo as if he is a bum. Most people felt that Collazo was robbed in his fight with Berto.

As far as the double standard goes, well you cant have it both ways. If hatton was a good fighter then the few extra pounds shouldnt have made that much of a difference. We have seen a large number of fighters move up in weight and beat bigger guys, even if a growing body isnt the reason that froced them to move up.

I have no problem with Floyd moving up in weight, the thing is its not going to solve anything for the haters, it will just cloud the waters even more. It will be the same story different weight. OH he wont fight a REAL middleweight.

 

Hatton might have lost to Collazo in his first fight at that weight.

The 140 lb. Hatton that lost to Pacquiao was better than the 147 lb. one that lost to Mayweather.

 

Yet another sterling example of The Sandman and common sense posting.

Agree 100% mate.

Again - If you say anything to Floyd fans about stretching to EARN a legacy that he already says is superior to Sugar Ray Robinson or Ali - Then fight like those guys did, take ALL challenges, even ones that seem insurmountable.

Ray would have beat Joey Maxim at 175 - It's doable for guys of that class.

 

You don't seem to understand the question I was putting to you so I'll leave it at that.

 

I'm not saying Collazo's a bum - I'm saying that fight showed Hatton's style - A physical style that imposes his strength at 140 on other fighters was ineffective at 147 and his chin barley passed the test of a guy that couldn't punch.

And again - *****'s - THE POINT - Is that Floyd stretching and taking on a fight where the challenge seems too much is what makes a fighter an immortal.

Robinson LOST to Maxim - Heat aside - he lost - Do people talk about Maxim's victory or the nobility of Robinsons efforts 50 years later?

THAT'S legacy building ****.

 

Don't be stupid, seriously.