FLoyd is better than RRJ and Bhops...

PBF is far more textbook, not more polished. Jones certainly was more dominant and scaled even more weight classes. As for Jones never fought a fighter as good and tough as Castillo? I won't dignify that, because it's ridiculous.

 

Griffin was a pressure fighter who had beaten Toney 2 times and came into their fight unbeaten. I think you labor under the impression that you not knowing who the fighters were meant they were not good.

Jones has 3 wins over ATG, bona fide without a doubt ATG. PBF has one.

 

That's not wrong, but RJJ has been around longer than Floyd. Hopkins and Toney weren't necessarily considered ATGs (very good fighters, no doubt, but not ATG) when Jones beat them.

There is a decent chance that Hatton goes back down to 140 and has a bunch of defenses and is eventually considered an ATG. Also, though Jones' career might as well be over, Floyd still has time (though, he is taking his "vacation") to beat more ATGs (Cotto may become one, Williams may become one, he may fight Shane who already is one).

Either way, you aren't wrong, but Floyd might be better than RJJ. I don't know where I stand on the issue honestly.

 

Yeah i dont know every opponent he had, I just think Roys more athletic than anything else. Floyd has been better than everyone thought back when he started because of his skills first

 

As a neutral, I don't give a feck about any of them, due to them being American

I would say miles better than Hopkins, who doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentance. He's not even a great in my eyes

Probably not as good as Roy Jones, but that's my personal preference, it's a close call

 

I completely agree that Floyd may end up being the better boxer when it is all said and done. That won't be based on fighters that he has already beaten becoming HOF fighters as their careers go on though. I honestly think all he would have to do for me to rank him over RJJ would be to beat Cotto,Williams and maybe a couple of belt holders at 154.

 

So if Calzaghe beats Bernard, I shouldn't expect you to give him much credit.

 

I think an argument can be made that PBF has a better resume than Jones on consistancy.

Jones has alot of champions, even more than PBF, but also has more fights. Jones resume is better at the top than PBF's as well. PBF's champions are a little better than the champions Jones beat IMO, minus the ATG.

I think Toney was an ATG when Jones beat him. Problem is, the bulk of PBF's great wins were early on. Hatton could go on to be an ATG, but Castillo and Corrales cannot, and neither can any of the other guys he beat at 130-140. Only Hatton so far has that option. Jones beat at least 3. Only DLH is an ATG that PBF has beaten. Can you name anyone besides Hatton who has a shot?

Now, as far as the other part of the equation....and this is where I may be biased, admittedly so. PBF is not as dominant, and simply not as good as Jones in his prime. Jones beat the ATG he faced easily. No SD, nothing. Jones was a monster. PBF is great, but he isn't as good as Jones was.

 

Floyd is the better athlete and better boxer but Roy was a beast in his own unorthadox way. Roy only got hit when he wanted to get hit in his prime and his speed was uncomparable. He had the best right hand leads of anybody I have ever seen, just look at his fight with Richard Hall. Plus Roy was smarter in the ring than Floyd was, just look at his fight with Eric Harding. He had average defense and his body movement was cat like and his lateral movement was a lot better than Floyd. Floyd has the edge on fight resume as Roy did not fight a lot of name people but really when has the light heavyweight and cruiserweight division had good people since the Holyfield, Moorer, and Byrd days? Roy threw better combos than Floyd and his punches came from all angles as Floyd can hit only from the convertional stance. Roy speed shits on Floyd's as Floyd has good handspeed but his lateral movement makes it a lot faster than it looks. Judah has better handspeed than he does and it was proven, he just can't move and control the ring like Floyd has. I have seen Roy and Floyd box for years and I have to say Roy is an unorthadox freak with freakish speed and shots coming from convertional and odd angles and he throws combos the number of 8-10 punches at a time. Floyd is the more conventional with above average speed and great lateral body movement but with better ring generalship. Oh yeah Roy was the better counter puncher.

 

I wouldn't. I would have given him a lot more credit when the fight should have been made a few years ago. However, Hopkins was a chicken

I know this is an easy fight for Joe, and there are other fights I'd prefer to see

 

Ok, long as your consistant.

 

Oh I forgot to put Hopkins in my category, sorry.

 

Jones had great technical skills. They were unothodox. I just did this thread. Name Jones technical deficiencies, once you have nailed down what "skills" are. Jones AUGMENTED his style and skills with incredible athleticism. When he got older, he refused to change his style. But no amount of athletic ability can create spacing, timing, accuracy, punch variety, footwork, head movement, ring generalship, etc that Jones had in spades.

 

I think a lot of people are forgetting, Roy didn't need a jab to set up punches. Roy would showcase his jab when he started slowing down.

Wasn't a defensive natured fighter, rather an offensive natured fighter who really had a unique style.

I cant really think of any aspects of anybody's style that Roy incorporated into his own.. You look at Floyd, he has an advanced version of his fathers defense, he has very good speed, good defensive reactions and great counter punching.. These are all very technical aspects of boxing.. You can pick out bits and pieces of Floyd that can be compared to other fighters.. Roy was his own monster..

Aspects of Roy's game, his ability to lead with any punch concievable. Lead lunging uppercuts anybody? Watch the Pazienza fight. He held his guard in a strange way which allowed him to loop punches, as well as quickly back off, straight back allowing opponent punches to be tangled up in his guard. His guard was designed to lead with power punches when you think about it.

All based on reflexes. He was a technical fighter based on his own natural ability, which was his greatest asset. That, is very unique in a fighter.

 

Roy jones was "showier" and high energy Floyd does just as much effectively with less effort, no? He defensive almost by nature. Floyd has occasionally lost control of the tempo but gets it back. He adjusts beautifully at any pase