Floyd is one of the best fighters iv ever seen

Certainly a more meaningful scalp for Floyd was Shane. Not a great win for either man, but Mosley, despite being inactive, was on more of a roll than when Pac faced him. Both dominant wins.

Well you certainly told me. Mong.

 

thanks, the feeling is mutual, but you know that mate:good

 

As Flea said: Easy to look good against that level of opposition. How many times does floyd need to keep telling you that this is a bizzness & along with his new song about no ppv refunds. He's been mugging the boxing world off for years now & he'll continue to do so, he's successfully managed to avoid Pacquiao & it was important too get hold of this 147 belt as he will now demand 60/40 stating that he's unbeaten & deserves the lions share knowing full well that the pac camp will say **** off & there will def be no fight as floyd will never risk his position as chief plunderer of the HBO $$$$ bank.

If manny gets a bit battered about by JMM then & only then will Floyd consider the Pac fight when he thinks he can win. Up till now he ai'nt sure he can win.

 

This happens a lot with Mayweather. After fighting Floyd his opponents are always ripped apart. Its always post-fight. Often dangerous, highly ranked fighters are reduced to "shot/faded/small" fighters.

Pre fight - Mosley was, Pac aside, the highest ranked WW.
Post fight - he was shot/over the hill/gunshy etc.

Pre fight - Hatton was a dangerous, unbeaten, respected WW titleholder.
Post fight - he was small, overrated and had been beaten by Collazo

Pre fight - Ortiz was a young, highly ranked, dangerous WW titleholder.
Post fight - he is chinny, overrated etc

In my opinion Mayweather should get more credit for making these guys look so bad. He's not the greatest ever, of course not, and he is an arsehole but he deserves more credit

 

Lilo, Hatton had looked abysmal at 147 mate.

And I didn't see anyone claiming Ortiz was going to be a significant test beforehand either.

 

Abysmal is a bit harsh.

Ortiz was a "hungry young lion" :good

 

even though I knew Floyd was gunna win last night, it's still a good fight, I'd rather see Floyd and Manny fighting young prime fighters who have titles or whatever than seeing them fight all the same old ****ing names. Seriously man, the likes of Mosley and them, they're out for me, I'm happy to see Floyd and Manny take on the likes of Ortiz and Khan, even if they are gunna be favoured over them, that doesn't make them jokes or anything, I'm favouring them on merit and because they are great fighters, so that's to their credit. I would favour them over anyone wherein the playing field is even in terms of weight, so I'm not gunna start holding it against them just because they're the favourites. It's like saying I'm not gunna Robinson credit because he was always the favourite, it's silly.

 

yeah i see it like that

Hatton hadn't done **** in my eyes at 147 though,

 

Man talkabout not giving Maywearher his dues..... Boxing journalists who have followed the sport for years will always say he is a certified ATG; and their opinions have for more merit then the subjective views in these forums.

 

Ouch, mong, that really hurt

Floyd would be a great fighter in any era, to say otherwise is just stupid :roll:

 

I do. And I don't think it's even contraversial. If Manny and Floyd fight, whichever one wins is absolutely, A1, stonewall top 10 ATG.

 

+1

 

Stupid? Why would that be then? He doesn't match up well stylistically with a lot of fighters IMO, and that is based on watching a lot of fights. If you think he'd have achieved what he has in his era in say, the 60s, beating Carlos Ortiz at Lightweight and then Cokes, LMR and Griffith at Welter....well, I don't think he would personally. I think he'd have a far less aesthetically pleasing record, and whilst he'd have proven himself a lot more (nothing wrong with losing!!!!) I don't think he'd be as revered as he is due to what he's achieved in reality.

He has a lot of plus points going for him that'd be very hard to achieve in more competitive eras with less 'titles', weightclasses, more regular fighting against the best opposition. And, judging on the extensive footage we have of most eras of fighting, against lesser technical fighters.

There just isn't the depth nowadays.

Doesn't mean I think he's '****' or 'not great'. Just that I think he is not as great as others make out. And in terms of ability, yeah obviously a highly capable operator, but does he wow me like, say, Kalambay or Napoles do? Nope.

 

Em... I give you Mosley (although you have to assess the performance and Shane looked shot from round 2 on, a fact held up in his subsequent fights). But Hatton was always a long-shot. The people picking him obviously had some sort of mental lapse because he was more likeable than Mayweather.

Ortiz, well there's a reason pretty much everypne picked against him, you know.

Fact is there were better challenges available than the ones Floyd took.

 

No chance.