Floyd Jr vs Willie Pep. defense

Stats are only an INDICATOR of a fighter's worth - not a CONCLUSIVE measure.

There are plenty of examples of fighters with poor records in the sport of boxing that are good fighters. You have to understand the CONTEXT behind losses on fighters records for it to mean anything.

You cannot prove that the fighters on Pep's record are bums just by looking at their records.

First thing you have to understand: back in those days fighters didn't have the chance to cherry pick guys like Floyd Mayweather does today to make his record look all sparkly. Secondly, they had to fight OFTEN, which sometimes means coming in not at your best, being overworked, fighting with injuries etc. Thirdly, they didn't have extensive use of film to check their opponents weaknesses and often were thrown in not knowing much about their opposition. Fourthly, the depth of the sport was much greater in those days than it is now. WAY more fighters were around, which meant WAY more competition. With more competition, the success rate drops. Fifthly, there weren't ten belts per weight division and junior weight divisions around so people could adorn their records with trinkets that made them look good whilst having fought nothing but stiffs. And if they wanted to move up in weight they had to make big leaps, which made it harder to successfully win when weight jumping.

All these things are CONDUCIVE to producing records that don't look impressive on paper. But that doesn't mean there weren't impressive fighters around in those times. There were. But you're not going to discover that by looking at fighters from that time that are past their best and them holding them up to the standards of guys in their prime today. You're also not going to discover that by looking at a guy's record and dismissing him because he has a lot of losses.

 

Ive played plenty of fight night 4 to know the difference, I bet Ive played more fight night 4 then you..my first 10 fight night fights are much better then yours.

You ducked LukeO and Eze you ******..**** off

 

We're talkin' apples 'n oranges, t. Willie was a FEATHER for his whole career. When he fought above that, his career was essentially over 'n it was for walkin' around money.

To denigrate Willie without having seen him fight live, is a travesty. You're like the blind man who grabs an elephant's tail 'n says it must be a snake.

 

Pep's opponents were no worse than the BUMS you padded your record w/ in Fight Night

 

And? Ask the vegas bookies to put up a p4p list, or a top defensive fighters of all time list and I'll wait for you to post their response here

They have? So who did Willie Pep avoid?

I agree. That reason being that there is only past prime footage of Pep and there is no way to gauge off that how good Pep was IN HIS PRIME, to say whether he was better defensively than Floyd.

He may be in a h2h sense, given that he is naturally bigger than Willie, who was a featherweight for the better part of his career, but he DOES NOT have a better lightweight resume than Pep, that much is fact.

Does he have more wins? Has he won a greater percentage of rounds than Pep? Does he throw and land more punches than Pep on a round by round basis? What stats are we talking about here?

You're clocking up some good stats when it comes to words per post that come straight for your rear end.

I am using my brain. And it tells me ignorance is bliss. So enjoy yourself :good

 

tliang1000 is a product of incest, which explains the low IQ and general idiocy. Pay him no mind.

 

I'd much rather hear what people from the time have to say about the fighters concerned when I cannot see for myself. Simply looking at a record and trying to make heads and tails from it seems a rather dicey methodology. It's an absolute last resort for me. For you it seems a great way for making factual pronouncements.

I'd rather hear what a guy like John Garfield has to say about Pep and Mayweather, since he has seen BOTH fight.

Prove they are bums. What's your evidence? Their records look bad? That it?

I'll have to take stats to be on your level. Only thing I got out of college was law and arts degrees with a major in philosophy. :good

 

Lemme cut to the chase, t: Do you think Pep's a legend for NO REASON? That all the fans that revere him are just repeating the party line?

Don't you think it's presumptuous to be so adament about a fighter you've NEVER seen fight live; and have no credentials -- but BoxRec or hearsay -- to judge him or his opponents?