Floyd Keeps Saying There's no "Blueprint" to beat him...

Good post Stonehands.

 

Yeah but noone has been able to do it. You guys are comparing a Mayweather that was fighting above his realistic weight. He was small against most of his opposition where his opponents managed to get some rounds by roughing him up a bit. I dont think DLH did **** with his jab, just used his speed and strength to score some points on the inside. Now Mayweather is a full fledged welterweight, hes not going to have those kind of problems anymore.
I saw more openings in Mayweather in the Judah and Corley fights than any of his other ones because they made him lead and used their speed to counter him. You gotta outsmart a guy like Mayweather and take him out of his comfort zone. I dont think anyone at 147 can make him fight except possibly Pac and I dont even think he can, because hes too short and his boxing skills arent good enough. Pac will force the fight, but he could wind up getting knocked out earlier than Ricky Hatton.

 

Floyd is an excellent defensive fighter and counter puncher but I have seen him pressured by guys like Castillo. Mosley has the tools and better speed than Castillo and Mosley has chin. I am just wondering the age factor and the long lay-off if Shane can pull it all together. This would make for a heck of a trilogy if Shane can get him. I would like to see how PPF can come back from a loss, or an ego-breaker. I think either way PAC looms for the natural

 

Fantastic post.
Freddie Roach commented that Oscar began to follow Floyd around rather than cut him off. This took away the jab because Oscar was always resetting. Fatigue could have been one of the main factors in this.

 

I don't think the most complete boxers have a blueprint, not that they can't be beaten, but they don't have a particularly weakness that can be continually exposed. What was the blueprint to beat Whitaker? Ali? Robinson? Leonard? Duran? There are certain strategies to use and sometimes you may even win or have success but dont think they won't adapt and make that blueprint anything but a

As for being scuccessful against FMJ, it depends on the style of the opponent. A jab is an effective tool against any fighter so thats a given against a great 1. The people citing Delahoyas jab as an effective weapon, are pretty much myth spreading the 'DLH would have won if he kept the jab working'. Yes DLH had more success early but his jab wasn't landing for the most part, yes Mayweather backed up but Oscars pressure was still largely ineffective. Mayweather usually takes a few rounds to figure his opponent out, see Hatton/Judah/DLH, plus all those fighters tried to rush him early

1. So yes obviously a jab is important BUT Not just jabbing but:

A. Trebbling the jab - Oscar scorred few of his jabs, but it did land at times. A fighter may be able to slip 1 jab but trebbling the jab, you can't do this mechanically though, you need to pick each jab at high speed, if your being mechanical he'll slip all your jabs. The more you throw the more you'll land, it needs to be a piston

B. Jab to the body - easier to land, than a jab to the head

C. Follow up on the jab - throw the left hook to the body or 1-2 or right to the body, use it to open the defense up

D. Fast Jabs with great timing - Generally only faster fighters have managed to have success with the jab although Castillo was fast enough and timed his well enough to land his jab more effectively than arguably anyone

E. Recoil and unpredictability - Important so you don't get countered with rights

2. Outwork/Pressure Mayweather:

A. In a fight were 40 punches per round are thrown Mayweather can't be beat, his quality is too good

B. Upping the pace will make it uncomfortable, those fast punches and slick moves are tiring even for Mayweather sohe prefers a low output

C. At mid range and long range you probably wont land, at close quarters mayweathers defense is comrimised as your shots dont have to travel as far and thus get to their target quicker

D. He will avoid single shots but throwing 5-6 in a combination will see some get through, and working the areas you can hit, ie the body although Mayweathers body defense is very good

E. Fighting smart - pressure without accuracy won't work, use variey, pick your punches and dont come in with your guard down like Ricky Hatton or your getting turnbuckled

F. Fast footwork to close the gap and close him down, Hatton actually did pretty well in this sense, you have to chase Mayweather and cut of the ring because otherwise he'll outmanouver you all night

3. Fight/Box 3miniutes of every round

A. Mayweather attacks when his opponents output drops, he also counters when a mistake is made. Few fighters can pressure continually without dopping their pace but if you can stay on him hes less likely to open up himself

B. When you take a drop he'll be over you, you need to be able to box/counter/slip/block when his happens or he'll play patter cake with your head

4. Work the body

A. Your probably not going to land much to the head so work the body and break him down

B. Use feints to set traps, throw slow left jabs so he counters with the right and look to throw fast left hooks to the body as he does that. Then

5. Fight dirty

A. Mayweather turns away from his opponent as a defensive tactic. Its a perfect opportunity to rabit punch, if the ref lets you keep doing it. Alternatively hes also open to short right to the side of the head, which wouldnt actually be a foul but could even be a KO punch

B. Push and wrestle him off balance, low blow him, headbutt, use elbows. Just make it a rough tough night

6. Hurt Mayweather, 1 of the first rules of fighting, if you can hurt him and continually hurt him you'll drag him into the fight he doesn't want. Easier said than done

Its obviously going to take a special fighter to pull this off, the only 2 who have a chance are Williams and Pacquaio and I'd certainly give Williams the better chance with his range. I can't see anyone else posing a big threat unless Mosley can continually force Mayweather to the ropes keep Mayweather at mid range and let his hands go to body and head. Ofcourse Mayweather will be as vunerable to age as anyone and in 2-3years Bradley, Khan and Alexander will pose threats to an ageing Mayweather

 

Thanks

McGrain could I quote that?

For me the most important thing is keep Mayweather occupied, he likes to be in controll you seen when even Hatton had him on the ropes he turned off in spells on the ropes and when Hatton started to hold and maul Floyd was able to get back in controll, but when Hatton was keeping Mayweather busy with flurries and combos he shut off. Mosley definitly has the strength and speed to pin Mayweather on the ropes and keep him busy with fast flurries IMO. As SH and afew others have mentioned jabbing him to the chest can also keep him busy.

 

Can I quote that?

Thanks. What do you make of the idea of keeping Floyd busy, for me thats the key. He can shut off and do too much defence especially when kept busy, but maybe it is the way that lesser fighters have made themselves at least have some sucess against Floyd, maybe a better fighter wouldnt have the same luxury of Floyd turning off.

 

There is a blueprint to beat everybody.

The only thing in question is whether there is a fighter around with the skillset to implement it.

 

Great post. Exactly the kind of informed, serious and detailed post that makes ESB Classic such a great place, not just for some of you heavy posters to opinionate; but to learn. Some of the General guys could do worse than check in here just to read up, and shut up.

 

Fraud Mayrunner is in the same boat as Royale "With Cheese" Jones.......... Once Mayrunner losses his speed and reflexes, he'll get pounded and beaten.........

The real question is, is Mayrunner smart enough to exit the bidness before he slips and dips too far.?.?

Fraud Mayrunner already seems to be having "TAX" issues, so I can see him hanging on way too long for the need of an extra buck or two....... CHRIST!

MR.BILL

 

speed and power kills. I said it last year and I say it again. SHANE MOSELY WILL BEAT MAYWEATHER AND PROBABLY BY A KNOCKOUT!:hat