FLOYD lied about his fight night weight,he waz easily 165 pounds!

You got it reversed. I am not trying to justify a 114-114 card. It is other people that are trying to dis-credit that card. I am merely saying "I don't have a problem with the official cards". The burden isn't on me to justify it. It's on those who disagree with the official judges to make their case as to why a judge is wrong.

 

Canelo already got that Floyd money, he can move up in weight now.


Floyd is a 140 and 147 fighter, he is small guy this idea about 160 is BS.

 

Wow! He used a tactic for a moment? I heard he used a jab too, just like Tommy Hearns!

 

atsch

 

I don't care what either man weighed in at or what they weighed during the match.

I just want both of them, in any fight, to do just that. Fight.

Can't stand the ballroom dancing.

 

you want me to discredit her card?

okay.

http://compuboxonline.com/throwdownfantasy-com-stats-mayweather-w-12-alvarez/

the only round that canelo connected on the same amount of punches as floyd is round four, in which they each connected on 14 punches.

the next closest round is round two, where canelo was still outlanded 11 to seven, a 60 percent deficeincy for alvarez. floyd outlanded canelo by roughly twice as many punches in rounds 1,3,6,7,8,9,10 and 11. that is eight rounds that, statistically, you simpy cannot make a case for canelo and his red hair.

floyd also had almost a 100 percent higher connect percentage in every round except rounds four and five, in which canelo still did not have a higher connect percentage.


you see, the normal way a fight is judged is by connect percentage, total punches landed and total punches thrown

so when the judges robbed trout, who had landed and thrown twice as many punches agsint canelo in four of the first eight rounds yet was behind by six, seven and nine points that is not proper scoring.

http://www.***********.com/forums/view.php?pg=canelo-trout-compubox

that is gbp paying off judges.

just like they paid of cj ross on saturday night.

it really doesnt matter because there will be no more excuses for the very few remaining canelo nuthuggers after the molina fight where he is again made to look average because at the end of teh day he just isnt that good.

 

last time i checked he has the second largest haters second only to adrian broner..

 

You are calling the Canelo vs Trout fight a robbery. I'd just like to point out that you are in the minority on that one. Possibly a large minority, some people did think Trout won, but most people agreed that Canelo clearly beat Trout. Canelo knocked him down and landed the better punches despite Trout throwing more. So when you say that Trout was robbed, you are going into this discussion heavily biased against Canelo. And if you thought Trout was robbed, in my opinion, you don't know jack sh*t about boxing and it's not surprising that you scored every round for Mayweather.

You are also saying that they "paid off CJ Ross". Who is they? And what makes you say that? Do you have any proof to make such an allegation?

And I'm not a Canelo nuthugger. There is no "normal" way to score a boxing fight. Everyone has a different way to score a fight, and it usually doesn't involve looking at statistics. I personally use a lot of 10-10 rounds, take a look at my Judah vs Garcia card to give you an idea of how I try to balance things. Fans have the luxury to look at punch stats and things like that. I look at things like ring generalship and clean effective punching. In a 3 minute round, you may only get 1 or 2 telling significant punches and those might swing around if the round is close. (unless one guy is pumping the jab and landing it consistently)

To be honest, I don't really trust compubox. You know how that's calculated? One guy is sitting there is a clicker guessing in real time as to which punches are blocked and which punches land. It's a guessing game. I bet if you went through an entire fight choosing which punches landed you'd get a different number.

Believe it or not, Trout has a very different punching style than either Maywather or Canelo. Trout is taller, and uses the jab much more than Canelo or Mayweather. But unlike Ali, who used the jab effectively, Trout's jab wasn't a particularly great jab. Per Compubox, Trout threw 416 jabs, and only landed 59 of them (14%) vs Canelo. That's an poor percentage of jabs landed, and it was because Canelo was particularly elusive in that fight. Canelo was able to slip the jab, and counter with more meaningful punches round after round.

I really hope you provide a response to this, because I am trying to have an intelligent discussion. It's hard to engage with someone who believes Trout was robbed, since imho it was clear as day that Canelo won that fight.

 

the first eight rounds of the trout fight were a robbery when canelo was up six, eight and nine points when avlarez was both outladed and outhrown by twice as many ounches in four of the first eight rounds.

that was the robbery.

i suppose canelo had the ring generalship when he was gettng outhrown by twice as many punches? ring generalship is an excuse for those people that fail to see a decisive advatnage for the other fighter(such as getting outthrown and outlanded at a 2-1 margin).

not putting a value on compubox is also an excuse for people and fighters that have a losing cause.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compubox

it has been used professionally for world events for close to 30 years and is exclusive to the US Open, Wimbledon and the Australian Open.

by the way, trout outanded canelo by twice as many jabs at the exact same connect percentage of 14 percent so canelo also, as you say, had a "poor percentage of jabs landed."

i had no problem with the trout/canelo decision.

i had a problem with the scores of 116-111 and 118-109, both robberies as most people trying to have an "intelligent discussion" would agree.

none of this even matters.

just wait to see what happens after the canleo/molina fight where alvarez is made to again look ordinary.

whats going to be your exuse then?

 

OK Quincy K, then we have a different definition of what robbery is. A robbery to me is when the wrong guy won. You're calling Canelo - Trout a robbery because the cards were wider then what you thought it should have been? That to me isn't a robbery when the right guy won.

A robbery is typically when the wrong guy get award a decision. But let me also add that I absolutely hate open scoring, and I do think that the open scoring put extra pressure on Trout.

Trout and Canelo did have the same compubox jab %, but Trout threw many more, and the way I score a round is that jabs are pretty much meaningless, unless you are landing them consistently, which neither guy was. Trout was basicaly just putting a light jab out there and Canelo was blocking them easily or evading them. I thought it was an easy fight to score because Trout wasn't landing any big punches. Canelo had the more impressive, powerful clean punches. Similar to how Broner clearly had the more impressive, powerful clean punches vs Malignaggi, and that's why he won despite Paulie throwing more than 300 more punches than Broner. When a round is close, it's common to look at who had the more impressive clean big jaw dropping punches. If there aren't any big punches like that or if both guys had the same amount of big punches and it's close, then I usually score it 10-10.

Judging boxing is always going to be debatable. These days, practically everything is called a robbery, but in reality, a robbery is really when one guy gets robbed of a win he clearly earned, which doesn't happen too often.

Regardless of how ridiculous you think CJ Ross's score was, I think it should humble Floyd. He made $41.5 million and Canelo only made $5 million, and that was with making a Mayweather imposed catchweight. Floyd is a great fighter, but I used to respect him a lot more than I do now.

 

I don#t understand? They get weighed pre-fight, how can they lie ? lol somebody wil be there to get the weight..

 

You try to argue from a technical standpoint but the truth is there in your last paragraph. You're just a hater. As you say, hard to reason with someone who isn't open to reason. WTF does Floyd's salary have to do with respect? You're not paying him. And for Canelo's shitty performance, he got more than he earned.

 

It's sad to see you are still spending your dole money on meth, you ****ing junky. Hurry up and OD already.

 

How so?

 

Then focus on the techincal aspects of what I was saying. I added that last paragraph because the same people who are focusing and criticizing CJ Ross are saying that Floyd won every round. I myself thought Floyd won the actual fight. I thought Canelo came close, but he wasn't able to finish many of the rounds the way he had to do to win the rounds. Many rounds were like even the first 2 and a half minutes, but then the last 30 seconds were all Floyd, you know what I mean? It's absurd to suggest that Canelo wasn't in the fight at all and had no chance to beat Floyd. He clearly was. Nearly every round was contested.