Floyd Lost the Castillo Fight

If someone tells me "man! I swear! I scored a draw", I can say "well, we dont agree, I think mayweather won, but ok". But all that 'castillo won' story just makes no sense to me, tbh.

Thank you for watching the fight again. We saw the same fight, I dont have to rewatch the fight again, since what I remember totally agrees with your analysis.

 

If they changed trunks before the fight and Chacal thought Mayweather was actually Castillo he would be saying the opposite. People like him do not score fights they score for fighters.

 

I genuinely can't budge on any of Mayweather's rounds. He definitely won them.
I can however see why people may think Castillo won because every single youtube link for the fight is pretty poor quality and they'd have to put in ridiculous focus AND know how to score a fight AND it's just quite frankly not easy to spot the clean punches - that's almost too much to ask so they're forgiven as far as I'm concerned lol.

 

Castillo definitely controlled the narrative of the fight as it went on, but that doesn't erase the early deficit and really only comes into play if the other factors are equal. In at least a couple of rounds during the second half, Mayweather clearly did better work, and when combined with the four or five round cushion he had at the beginning of the fight, and the fact that the 11th could go his way, that gives Mayweather a close but in my opinon legit victory on my card.

I think the official scorecards were ludicrously wide and in a sense added fuel to the narrative that Castillo was robbed of victory. But after initially scoring the fight a draw (leading Castillo) when I first saw the fight, I now tend to score the other way after a repeat viewing.




Question is...Does the fact that Mayweather carried the fight on your card impact your overall ranking of him? Winning a close fight with an injured shoulder against the top lightweight, and then immediately re-matching him might not be daring to be great...but it ain't shying away from greatness, either.









Come on, Gan...You knew someone was gonna troll you at least slightly about that point. All in good fun.

 

Exactly. And idiots like him do that while crying and pointing the finger at people for supposedly doing it! Lol I could say he hasn't watched the fight, which is most likely the case, but it wouldn't matter if he did!

 

The little dork is like MVC with rabies.

 

I agree 100%. Merchant's and Harold's cards influence people further especially in fights with very razor close rounds.
Before scoring the fight properly, I went by the view that Mayweather fans were 'reaching' for saying Mayweather won, and that Castillo definitely won. Mayweather did had a problem with his shoulder, but it wasn't anything major that had a detrimental impact on the fight.

Where do you consider Mayweather?
About 3 weeks ago, I actually re-assessed how great I think Mayweather is. I had been saying for a long time that he's around 35th (for the past 4 years). Looking at the list of fighters, it would've been wrong of me to maintain that position when assessing the fighters around those positions.
Mayweather is Top 30, most probably closer to 27th. Yet he is certainly no way near to Top 25 if that makes sense.

It adds something to his resume to have that first win over JLC. I'm no longer calling it a definite 'loss' on his resume but rather a definite win. He gets props for edging out an ultimate stylistic threat who is a genuinely elite fighter (low tier HOF level in terms of H2H) - that matters. But it should also emphasise that Pac's even second and third fight with Marquez, an ATG and ultimate threat, is indeed a great feat.

What comes of my version of Oscar De La Hoya who I consider greater than Mayweather (come at me)? Oscar is trolling his way to the top.

Mayweather is a Top 80 ATG though because that is actually true just like SRL and Pac are a Top 80 ATG (but by agenda they're given the titles of being Top 20 ATG's), and the unquestionable truth that Pac is actually greater than him.
Floyd shot himself in the foot. Doing something from 2003-2007 and getting wins against Margarito, Williams, prime Cotto, prime Pac would've shot him into the teens in terms of greatness where Pac is currently.

 

I've watched them an embarrassing amount of times. So many times that I can say without a doubt fmj never lost a pro fight. The chino 1 fight I thought live uh oh and even a couple times after thought chino did enough but chinos aggression got the better of me. Fmj actually handled him in the first fight like a beast.

Chino landed his best shots cleanly on fmj temple AND CHIN try fmj fought him off. The chino 1 fight was by far his toughest physical fight, looking from the outside. The more I watch the more I see the defenses of fmj working and him winning rounds I thought he lost.

It's so difficult to score fights live. I always score away from my guy. Give the opponent the benefit of doubts in very close rounds. That chino1 fight is one of my all time BEST fights, because chino brought it and brought it hard. Fmj was way too much of a beast.

The hate he gets is 100% due to his greatness. Nobody had ever made elite fighters look so inept for 2 decades. Simply amazing