Floyd makes his case as the GOAT

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain VIP Member Full Member

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    Not clear what your point is here.

    My post was about Floyd, mot Margarito

    My point to refute the notion that Floyd was "The Best Ever."

    Part of my argument was that he failed to take on Marg, Williams and prime Pac.
     
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  2. slash

    slash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not for me. Not on an all-time LB4LB list.
     
  3. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    These ducking arguments don't seem very persuasive.

    Other guys frequently ranked in the top 10 missed plenty of worthy opponents.
     
  4. Diagoras

    Diagoras Active Member Full Member

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    May be at #20, very far from the GOAT.

    Just because he repeats it every chance he gets doesn't make it true & GTFO with that 50-0 sh*t which includes a joke of a sparring session with an MMA guy

    Floyd might have a case for the GOAT businessman in Boxing though, he always knew how to take the lowest risk while getting the highest paydays
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Margarito got outpointed by Victor Lozoya. He got outpointed by Larry Dixon. He got outpointed by Rodney Jones. He got beat by Daniel Santos. He got beat by Paul Williams. He got stopped by Miguel Cotto. He got caught cheating and was humiliated and stopped in nine in a total beatdown by Shane Mosley. And Manny Pacquiao beat him to a pulp.

    He wasn't in Mayweather's class. He wasn't in Mosley's class. He wasn't even in Daniel Santos' class.

    Margarito was so good at slipping punches he went blind in one eye in the era of thumbless gloves.

    Nobody even thinks about Margarito or brings him up but you. He was utterly forgettable, except when he got caught cheating. That's all he's remembered for.
     
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  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He always tries to wedge Margarito into discussions. I think they're related.
     
  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Lowest risk?

    He fought Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto, Canelo Alvarez, Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez, Marcos Maidana, Zab Judah, Andre Berto, Victor Ortiz, Arturo Gatti, Angel Manfredy, Jose Luis Castillo ... and on and on.

    Name another 130-pounder in history who beats all those guys?

    Hell, Henry Armstrong doesn't beat all those guys and 'Homicide Hank' lost to plenty of lesser fighters, himself. Mayweather never did.

    Mayweather has a valid argument he's the best ever just like anyone else who has a valid argument.

    He beat plenty of excellent fighters, was excellent himself for 20 years, and never lost to anyone, whether he was young, old, prime, not prime.
     
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  8. Diagoras

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    Spoken like a true Floyd fanboy

    Do you know what weight JMM was pulled up from? Do you know that Floyd missed weight by 2 lbs & had to pay 600K to JMM as penalty?

    Wow Marcos Maidana, an all time legend really (& against whom Floyd had to haggle over which gloves he could wear for the rematch, a move only a GOAT makes)

    Arturo Gatti? wtf, the guy was a literal punching bag who already went through the Ward trilogy by that time not to mention all the other beatings he took by the time Floyd fought him. Do you know who called him a paper champ before he fought him? Floyd himself before fighting him though he became a legit world champ in Floyd's book after he fought him

    Armstrong held titles in 3 weight classes at the same time in a world where there were 8 weight classes & 1 title for each weight class & he arguably could have held the 4th title too as many had him winning that fight. Nothing in Floyd's career is remotely close to that achievement dumbass

    The reason these guys often have losses is they fought so damn much & didn't have the luxury of pick & choose. The poverty back in those days is unimaginable by today's American standards & without PPV or TV they had to fight very frequently to make money, when you fight 200 times including when you are way past it just to make money, you are bound to lose. I mean you are the kind of idiot who probably thinks Tank Davis knocks out Roberto Duran because Duran had 16 losses (including 4 by KO)

    Consider even as late as 1980's that Tommy Hearns was 23 & SRL was 25 for their 1st fight, now go look up the ages of Crawford vs Spence when they finally fought. This is what I mean by pick & choose & keep marinating a fight for years (same with Pac vs Floyd)

    Go look up when & where Floyd fought those other guys you mentioned. I am not going to educate you more
     
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  9. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I love it, FMJ brings out fanatical haters out with you being the prime example.

    However, one thing never gets old, 118-110 vs Pac, Floyd had tougher sparring sessions than the guy who throw shot after shot hitting air and claimed afterwards he fought with a injured shoulder which after the fight he consequently "healed" with sea water...............
     
  10. Diagoras

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    Where was the lie in my post dumb ass?

    Gatti is a great fighter now especially after all that mileage?

    Do you want me to link you footage of Floyd calling him a paper champ before fighting him & elevating him to a legit world champ afterwards?

    Did Floyd not pull up JMM & fail to make weight by 2 lbs & end up paying 600K in penalty?

    Why are you bringing irrelevant sh*t about what happened in Pac vs Floyd fight

    Was his farce with McGregor not a glorified sparring match & a blatant cash grab from morons like you? This is the "fight" with which Fl*mos claim he beat Marciano's record, you & Floyd can keep such "records"
     
  11. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    FMJ Derangement Syndrome
     
  12. Bokaj

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    I think he beat Maidana. Tough fight, but nothing controversial about the outcome.
     
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  13. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic A good ecumenist is a dead ecumenist Full Member

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    Floyd can build a case for GOAT based on the resume. That's such a great resume:
    - Arturo Gatti
    - Zab Judah
    - Oscar De La Hoya
    - undefeated Ricky Hatton
    - Juan Manuel Marquez
    - Shane Mosley
    - Miguel Cotto
    - Canelo Alvarez
    - Manny Pacquiao...
     
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  14. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 I’m become seeker of milk Full Member

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    For example Duran missed a chance at Cervantes and Pryor, very rough company but he didn’t duck them it just didn’t pan out, business or otherwise.
     
  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Armstrong yes, but the others? Robinson not facing some fighters in the weight class above isn't comparable for me.