Floyd Mayeather Jr. vs Jose Luis Castillo I

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  1. Andrei00

    Andrei00 Active Member Full Member

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    How did you score it? Am I the only one who thinks Floyd actually won this?
     
  2. dannyc1990

    dannyc1990 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, i did too.. people just jump on the banwagon without even watching the fight..punch stats don't always tell the full story .
     
  3. 88Chris05

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    113-113 is how I saw it, although some of the rounds (particularly the fourth and eleventh, I thought) were right bas*ards to score. I had Mayweather winning the first five, Castillo winning six, seven, nine, eleven and twelve, with the eighth and tenth rounds both being 9-9, for me (so each fighter having a point taken off in a round they otherwise won).

    I guess on balance, Mayweather escaping with an outright win wouldn't have been seen as such a big controversy had the scores at least been reasonable. Had he edged a tight split decision, winning by a point one two cards and then losing by two points on the other, for argument's sake, then there'd have been less fuss. But as it was, the margins by which he was given the victory (five, four and four points respectively) were ridiculous and suggested that Castillo was basically never going to get the decision no matter what he did, hence the louder outcry.

    Also worth noting that, in such a tight fight, the man who finishes stronger is always likely to have appeared a more likely winner, and in this case that man was definitely Castillo.

    So a draw might have been fairest for me, I think. Floyd arguably deserved to pick up his first blemish on his record, but maybe just a share of the spoils rather than an outright loss. If I absolutely had to lean towards one man as the winner, though, I'd be tempted to edge towards Castillo, as I think he was making it more his kind of fight than Mayweather was. Floyd had Jose missing for fun, but wasn't given the room and time he needed to really cash in on that and make him pay. Castillo was superbly alert in closing off the ring that night and there's no doubt that Floyd would have been much the happier man for hearing that final bell!
     
  4. Woller

    Woller Active Member Full Member

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    I had Floyd Winning too. Not big but winning.

    Woller
     
  5. Hannibal Barca

    Hannibal Barca Active Member Full Member

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  6. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Been awhile since I've watched it...Had Mayweather just edging it, by a point.
     
  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Mayweather Castillo
    Rd 1. Mayweather. Mayweather scored a few more light punches. No real action.
    Rd 2. Castillo. Feet tangled and Castillo went down. Clash of heads. Castillo more aggressive landing more punches. Mayweather confused.
    Rd3. Even. Roughly even punches landed. Castillo aggressive forcing Floyd to the ropes.
    Rd4. Castillo. Messy castillo holding and hitting. Mayweather out of rhythm.
    Rd5. Castillo. Castillo bullies Mayweather to the ropes and punishes the body.
    Rd6. Castillo. Castillo really put a hurt on Mayweather this round. Volume body punching. Pushed him down at one point, but no knockdown.
    Rd7. Castillo. Castillo landed the hardest bombs up to now. Mayweather holds on and Castillo continues to pound him in the clinch.
    Rd8. Mayweather2. Mayweather 2 point round because Castillo was deducted a point for punching during the break.
    Rd9. Even. Roughly even punches landed. Ref spoils most of the action.
    Rd10. Castillo2. Mayweather had the best of the early part of the round but Castillo got the last half. Then the ref deducted a point from Mayweather for elbows and shoving, but it was probably to even things and for Mayweather hitting after the bell in the previous round. Also, he should have given castillo a warning for punching Mayweather in the back.
    Rd11.even
    Rd12. Castillo.

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  8. Andrei00

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    Well, to be honest I always thought those CompuBox numbers are ridiculous and bogus, but this is probably the most absurd case I've seen, ever. 203 punches landed by Castillo? Really?! I mean, he did fought well and Floyd had to move a lot to get that space he desperately needs to operate, but overall I still don't think he did enough to win this. Like someone said already, the scorecards weren't exactly accurate either, but I can't possibly understand how you can have any other result than a close win for Floyd.
     
  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    The numbers don't lie. Castillo landed 46 more punches, was 5% more accurate, and landed 107 more power shots. He landed more shots. He landed harder shots. He took more rounds. That is how you win in this game. Even if you score the even rounds for Floyd he doesn't win.
     
  10. Andrei00

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    Right, the numbers don't lie. Why would they? Well, I took as much of my time as I thought was necessary and reviewed what Hannibal posted on this, which only includes the first 2 rounds. In round number 2, which you gave to Castillo on your scorecard, outside of a few body punches in clinches, which shouldn't be the appropriate term 'cause they weren't any real punches, you can barely find two clear landed shots of his. So you can understand why I find it impossible to believe he actually landed a total of 203 punches.
     
  11. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is 1 of floyds most impressive performances imo, we know he has skills but when else has he overcome adversity.

    I think i scored it a draw, yeras ago tho.
     
  12. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mayweather swept the early rounds, I think it can be scored either way but Floyd has more rounds he could have won.

    Floyd won 5 clear rounds, Castillo won 4 clear and there was about 3 rounds that could have gone either way, so anything from 7-5 Castillo through to 8-4 Floyd I think is acceptable.

    Castillo landed the more damaging blows but he didn't really do it in enough of the rounds. Although there is a case for 7-5 Castillo. I'm not sure I believe the Mayweather injury excuse though. Close fight and a warranted rematch anyway you dice it. Mayweather later commented on Castillo's smarts and intelligence.

    I doubt you've watched the fight