FLoyd Mayweather: An ''ATG''??

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  1. sosolid4u09

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    just thought id throw my two cents in on the big floyd mayweather debate!!

    ive seen a lot of FLoyds fights, and have been following him for ages.He gets routinely critisized on this forum and everywhere else too.

    First things first. Nobody can disagree that he is one of the greatest pure BOXERS, skillwise, in history. if you feel he is boring even still, nobody can deny his boxing skill and know-how.

    He is a multiple weight world champion! HE was a world champion within TWO years of turning pro!as recently as 2001, he was fighting at super featherweight!!! It can be argued that he didnt fight the best in each division while moving up, but HOW many boxers in the last 20 years CAN claim they have fought the best of the best each time?
    Its not like he has been fighting bumms in each weight class since moving up?
    Castillo, GATTI, judah, baldomir de lahoya and hatton. Those are not 'bumm' fighters!

    On the other side of the coin, One thing i would absolutely LOVE to see is FLoyd mayweather fight somebody who has a clear physical advantage, and who has skills to match! I dont think anybody who is floyds size can beat him. He is just too skilful. However somebody like moseley, or COTTO, who have a clear physical and strength advantage, as well as possesing skill, could deffinetly trouble floyd!

    I WANTT to see floyd cornered and in trouble. I want to see his battling instincts take over, and to go into overdrive! i have little doubt that he would rise to the occasion and produce a stunning performance against either fighter. But he is rightly critisized for not taking these dangerous fights on!

    Nobody can deny that floyd mayweather HAS carefully pickd his fights. Thats not to say that he chooses easy fights each time, but he has not always gone for the most difficult fight at the time. But is that not testimony to how great this guy is?? It seems that EVERYbody wants to see floyd in a hard hard fight, just to see what he produces!!! How many boxers out there are critisized as badly as floyd for not taking these difficult fights? its because he is so great that we all want to see him fight a cotto or a moseley, or even a pacquiao.

    At the same time i feel as boxing fans we have a right to feel aggrieved at being robbed of these potential mega-fights. At the end of the day the fans pay the bills, and i DO feel FLoyd owes us a fight against a true world-class welterweight!

    But the blame cannot be put purely on floyd. The way boxing works right now, with all these titles around and how ''what makes money makes sense'' has taken over, to some extent we must just blame the player, but also achknowledge that the game is flawed. He is simply playing the system, making as much money as he can for him and his family with as little risk as possible, and then getting out! How many of us would not take the same option?

    However all this considered, until he fights somebody like pacquiao cotto moseley or someone as dangerous, he cannot be considered a top 20 all time great. Which is a shame because skill wise he would be up there! But it is not too late. we could still see a pacman/cotto-mayweather fight. or even moseley-mayweather fight. If these happen, there will truly be nothing left to say for the doubters.

    p.s. just for the record, i feel he beats cotto pacman AND moseley if those fights took place.
     
  2. pugilistspecialist

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    I feel you.....based on talent and skills he is one of the best ever, but he has to make career defining fights now.
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    He has been a bit nit-picky on opponents but what fighter isnt. You cant win titles at 5 weights without taking some risks.
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  3. NALLEGE

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    Why judge him now?
     
  4. MaliSlamusrex

    MaliSlamusrex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I only have like 20 boxers as ATG so no.... not by a long shot.
     
  5. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    who are they???? you dont have a top 50??
     
  6. Floyd is an ATG. ofcourse he needs to cement this with atleast 2 more fights imo.

    If he has any dignity, i hope money won't be the deciding factor such as the cause of recent outcomes.
     
  7. NALLEGE

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    Good post. I disagree that Cotto and Shane are physically stronger than Floyd though.
     
  8. MaliSlamusrex

    MaliSlamusrex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I made a list but i lost it when my computer broke, May was around 50-55 if i remember correctly.



     
  9. JML

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    I swear I've seen this post a lot of times before!
     
  10. sosolid4u09

    sosolid4u09 4 8 15 16 23 42 banned Full Member

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    lol this is the first time i have posted about floyd! and i only have like 20 posts in total so i doubt it!
     
  11. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A fairly down-the-middle analysis. Thanks for that. I'm tired of reading the posts by the unrealistic and irrational fringe elements on both sides of the argument. The bottom line for us is that it's the bottom line for Floyd. He said so himself in the interview with RA. He also said some good things. There's probably much more that goes into making a fight at his level then most of us will ever know. I also think that he has taken risks in his career, but only as long as he had to, which was early on. Since he's reached the top of heap, he hasn't.
     
  12. threethirteen

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    The question is whether Floyd can be considered a great based on his refusal to fight the best guys while he's in his prime. It counts against him seriously, whatever his reasons.

    Some guys, like John Duddy, don't have the skills to be greats, so they need to cash out, taking the biggest money fights while not risking themselves. Floyd is capable of making the money WHILE fighting the best guys - so there's just no excuse, other than that he's risk averse.
     
  13. money21207

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    good post and well said
     
  14. sugarsean

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  15. Above Deck

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    The thing about Floyd, is that he has more talent and a better
    skill set than a lot of ATGs - but his record isnt as good as them,
    because he hasnt pushed himself or completely put himself on the line.

    Id like to see Floyd fight the winner of Pac/Cotto, then go on to
    fight Mosely, providing that he gets past Berto.

    If Floyd can win 3 more fights against Mosely, Pac/Cotto and
    another, then I think it will shape a hell of a resume.