floyd mayweather, best defensive fighter of all time????

Hes doing that against a bum,you should put a gif of a past his best Whitaker ducking something like nine punches in a row against prime DLH just by moving his head ,now thats what i call impressive.

 

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Since when is Victoriano Sosa was a bum?:huhatsch It really doesn't matter what PBF clip you put up you would never give him credit. I could put up a clip of PBF's lateral movement against Chico and you'd say the same.

 

No hes a future Hall of famer and an ATG.atsch

 

Pep, Whitaker, RJJ, Benitez, Camacho SR, Calderon are worth mentioning too.....

 

Lol but Jmm landed like 200 shots and made his face look like Quasimoto after thier 2nd bout..

 

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Now thats impressive :good

 

so floyd's gif is running and Whitaker is not?

 

Have you actually seen these fights?

Toney's defence was superb against Jirov, it's what won him the fight.

You probably think Floyd v Gatti is a far better example of defence - because Floyd didn't get hit.

The difference is that Floyd was in there with a horribly overmatched opponent that he could toy with, that he was stronger and faster than.

Toney was an overweight middleweight in the ring with the best cruiserweight in the world at the time. Yes, Jirov backed him up and unloaded a whole lot, but he was outlanded in almost every round, despite Toney throwing far less punches.

If you consider the amount of punches Jirov threw, the amount which weren't fresh-air misses, and then consider the amount which actually hit Toney cleanly, the result is staggering.


Nunn? He was far better than anyone Floyd ever faced. He was a tall, powerful, superb middleweight with long arms and a great jab. And he couldn't hurt Toney despite outboxing him, then got blitzed.

Griffin? The man who hit Roy Jones more than anyone else managed in Jones's prime decade 93-03. An underrated fighter who was a bad stylistic match for James.

If you take these performances into account along with the fact that Toney has often been the smaller and slower man in the ring for 20 years from middleweight to heavyweight, no he was not invincible, but yes he was a very special defensive fighter.

 

I just watched this fight the other night for the first time in a long time. Toney defense was a impeccable and he was exhausted by the 10th. 2 things i remember aboutt his fight.

1 Harold Letterman was way off on his scoring, i realized in this fight he has a problem with toney or doesn't see in fighting very well.

2 Emanuel Steward had a great broadcasting night. He was keen to everything in the fight the ebb and flow he called it perfect imo.

 

I think Pea-Floyd would have been a similar result. Pea is Floyd's stylistic nightmare in every conceivable way, except power. It would not have been a stoppage, but it would have been a severe outclassing - just like Jones v Toney. Perhaps not quite as dominant, as Floyd would not come to the ring as weight-drained as JT did.

:-( That's a stupid point. Toney has been at the top for 20 years now, he is a natural middleweight who has been fighting natural heavyweights for years now. Of course he has been hit more than a micro-managed 39-fight man like Floyd.

Nah. Hopkins was definitely better as a defensive fighter. He got hit less and relied on defence more than peak PBF did. When PBF was at his best, he wasn't particularly defensive. And Toney was far more defensively talented.

Floyd's trouble at coping with a good jab is one of the key reasons why I think he was overrated defensively. Hopkins can take the best jabs and stick them in his back pocket (Pavlik and Wright). Floyd failed to achieve this (Oscar in particular).

 

Exactly! :happy

He was not in peak physical condition, and he was facing a man who outgunned him in every conceivable way (bigger, younger, faster, stronger, fresher etc etc).

This is defence.

Not dancing around pot-shotting the **** out of overmatched opponents.

 

We have a winner folks.

 

Pea's right jab would have destroyed PBF. He simply doens't have an answer for it.