Floyd Mayweather has never beat a HOF/ATG in their Prime this is a fact

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  1. Tyson Fury Goat

    Tyson Fury Goat Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Floyd never beat no atg/hof prime fighter
     
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  2. drenlou

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    After he had won! Everyone knows yoo were arguing a pacquaio win from the get go and you picked Floyd to win after the fact.. you can' have it both ways so you can try to stay face..:nonono

    Floyd UD12 Pacquaio

    @Barrera KO1 Tyson Fury Goof
     
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  3. Tyson Fury Goat

    Tyson Fury Goat Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    May has not come close to beating a prime hof/atg that's my point even if you or rummy don't agree bareera was prime ... he was far closer to his prime then any prime atg/hof in mayweathers record
     
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  4. NoNeck

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    Hatton might get in the hof.
     
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  5. drenlou

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    I've been trying to get that through to him rumski... he's hard headed.
     
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  6. drenlou

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    SOWEEY
     
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  7. tinman

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    BUT nobody ever does because his win against Barrera is kind of untouchable. You can pick apart every win, but that's like the 1 win in a long time that nobody really comes for.
     
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  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I call Bull****. I recall Manny Steward saying in 2001 that Barrera looks as good as ever. When you actually watch Barrera in 2001 and then in 2003 there is no discernable difference. Whereas there is a difference by the time we get to 2005.

    The fact is Barrera just got his ass kicked about as mutha****in hard as possible. And Barrera was my dad's favorite fighter too. On that night he just received an old fashioned ass whipping.
     
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  9. tinman

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    By that logic Pax was already past his best after the first Morales fight.
     
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    You're right about how Barrera was viewed before fighting Pac. MAB was a massive favorite and at 29 was still thought to be young and in his prime. Nobody gave Manny a chance. The announcers on the British Broadcast were stunned. They just couldn't believe what they were seeing. "The little man from the Philippines is pouring it on. He's going for him, really going for him. This is absolutely unbelievable. A modern day legend is being totally dismantled. And it's been stopped. Manny Pacquiao with the finest performance of his career. And one of the finest performances we've ever seen".

    How the Floyd fans forget...
     
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  11. Rumsfeld

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    A. You're moving the goal posts. By your strict standard, Pac did NOT beat PRIME MAB.

    B. Actually, people were saying Barrera was slowing down before the Pac fight, and same for Morales. Both of them obviously left a lot in the ring after their epic first fight. Barrera was being praised for transitioning styles at a late age, where he was taking a more intelligent tactical approach to make up for his deteriorating physical attributes.

    C. None of this is to say Pac's win against MAB wasn't superb! It WAS! It was an outstanding victory that put Pac on the map. But this goes to show, you don't need to beat someone in their absolute prime for it to be considered a great victory, and your efforts to diminish Floyd's long and illustrious career just go to show that shallow criticisms can be made of virtually any boxer who ever laced up the gloves.
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

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    MAB not an ATG? If that's true, then there haven't been many ATG's in the past 25 years.
     
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  13. Tyson Fury Goat

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    I feel Bareera was clearly still prime many steward also seemed to agree with me 2001 bareera was still at his best it was around 2004/5 when he was not

    Pac himself was in many wars with marquez/morales/bareera before he even fought hatton and cotto so he was not prime then ?
     
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  14. tinman

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    People weren't saying Barrera was slowing down. They just thought he was a hype job. In 1997 he took back to back losses against Jones at 22. The mystique of Barrera was squashed. At that point he was a failure in the eyes of Mexicans. He improved and redeemed himself 3 years later against Morales. In 2000 he established himself as a top level fighter among the best the lower weight classes had ever seen. And further cemented that against Hamed in 2001.

    I'm not of the belief that neither Morales nor Barrera never recovered after their first fight. Now their 3rd fight was the straw that broke the back for Barrera. He clearly looked worse against Juarez.
     
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  15. Rumsfeld

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    MAB was a massive favorite, considered a P4P elite, and nobody was giving Pac much of a chance because nobody knew much about him. But... Barrera was being viewed as someone on the down slide, all the same. It's obvious that the MAB from the first Morales fight was never again seen. People were praising MAB for changing styles at a late age, where he transitioned to a new style - and the obvious reasons stated for Barrera doing this, was because physically, he was in decline and could no longer capable of fighting with his prime style.
     
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