Floyd Mayweather : "I'm better than Sugar Ray Robinson"

Lets see Kobe has had some of the best supporting cast in League History, Pau Gasol, Shaq, Derrick Fisher, Lamar Odom, Ron Artest, and I could go on. Who has Lebron had, Anderson Verajao and Delonte West?

 

You can study a fighters career, of course you can. You look at the era, the context of the fighter in it. You look at accounts, you read, you watch, you research. This is not a ground-breaking discovery here. The fight game has always been nostalgic. You get people underrating Mayweather now saying things to the effect of, 'Alexis Arguello would blow him away', when (imo) that would not happen. But this has been going on forever. Tommy Loughran wrote a piece about boxers in the 40's, saying how he felt that they were 'running' too much, instead of standing their ground and boxing. Basically, Loughran was on a 'boxers aren't the same anymore' type thing, IN THE 1940's. Sound familiar?

Exactly.

Now contrast that to Sugar Ray Robinson. He is one of very very few fighters (and maybe the only one on such a huge scale) who was known as the greatest during his actual career. He was famous as an (unbeaten) amateur for years. There are reasons for this. He was ridiculously good, absolutely ridiculous. This ain't a nouthugging fest. I'm one of the most unbiased fans of boxing you're likely to ever come across. This is what it is imo. The man was ducked for years before becoming champion also, even Charley Burley testified to that. And he still went on to achieve so much.

If you want to get into the breakdown of actual in-ring activity and how i believe he may very well be the best in that regard then i have no problem with that.

He might not be the greatest when it comes to resume, but he might be. It's in this area of 'who was the best' that i believe he takes it.

 

I don't want to hear that ****. Kobe is Bernard Hopkins, LeBronski is Roy Jones Jr. Kobe will be around for a long time because his game is based on intelligence. LeBron is going to be finished the moment his athleticism drops one bit. LeBronski's entire game is based on athleticism.

 

I'm not saying it doesn't count, but it's hard to have a proper perspective if you don't. Some kid 30 years from now will never view Roy Jones Jr. the way I do no matter how many tapes he watches. Tapes will never accurately tell the story of Roy Jones Jr. as a fighter.

 

But we've seen the Lakers with just Kobe, they didn't win ****.

 

Well i feel pretty strongly on the point of Robinson being better than Leonard personally. I made a thread about that in the classic a while ago, i bump it up every now and then. I'm not saying Robinson would not receive losses in any particular era, even this one. If they were fighting a lot also then you're bound to pick up losses. But i'll be honest, i find it highly unlikely.

Robinson lost once in his prime, to a heavier, undountedly great middleweight in Jake LaMotta, who he beat four times before moving up to middleweight in an official campaign before doing so again, and even stopping him. I just don't see him as being anything but the best ever. And i respect the **** out of Mayweather and others throughout history. Mayweather proved to me he was a great fighter at 130. But to say he's better than Robinson, to me is blatantly wrong.

 

Watching Roy on tape is the best thing he has ever had going for him.

I see your point...but it doesnt have to be that way. As teeto has went through its called reasearching...sometimes it takes a little time but its not like its impossible to look into these things.
A vast majorty of people who know a lot about both modern and past fighters think Robinson is the GOAT..its not a major travesty that people listen to them when they say it.

 

Ah Teeto - your posts are refreshing and always based on research instead of blind opinion.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about. LeBron is one the most, if not the most, intelligent players in the game. His basketball I.Q is off the charts.

 

I think watching tape of true greatness is never deceptive personally too. Like if i watch Roberto Duran now, it's 100% awe-inspiring. Same with Whitaker or JIM DRISCOLL! (serious)

 

Thanks yo:good

 

I have no problem with anyone saying Robinson is one of the greatest of all time. However, it's impossible to pinpoint one fighter as the greatest ever. When that does happen, it's because people simply jump on the bandwagon. They are told so much that someone is the greatest that it becomes almost fact.

 

floyd is better than ray robinson