This is a thread that will invite you to think (easy to understand). Take your troll cap off for a bit, honestly and sincerely read this, and realise the distinction I'm making here - 1. Meh, ok. You're good at outpointing people who have been trained to point-score in a boxing match by fighting. Mayweather however does what he can to take the 'fight' element away from the match. The next part I'm about to say is important: 2. These guys were thus trained with that completely different philosophy - they were MASS trained with that different philosophy - and the basis of it is to actually have a FIGHT. That is the fundamental element of their boxing and that is how they want to win. The most impressive thing would be to be able to outpoint by fighting, rather than taking the fight out of it all. The former is what makes for a GREAT boxer. 3. So..what about fighting the guys who are trained to point score like yourself, are you the best then? Rigondeaux and Lomachenko are technically even better at outpointing than Mayweather. Mayweather gets his competitive advantages from his ability to outpoint Olympic style. Just imagine if Mayweather was in a 12 round match with these guys, he'd lose (if they were exactly the same size). These guys are more impressive to me. Rigondeaux is a specialist who stays in punching range. Lomachenko combines intelligent defence and pressure - that is the defence that is the most difficult to have given the style. Remember Lara vs Canelo and the farce that ensued there? Lara 'creates notable distance' and 'breaks his opponents attack with "intelligent" use of clinches' just that extra bit more than Mayweather, but they're from the same cloth. 'Creates notable distance' and 'breaks his opponents attack with "intelligent" use of clinches' = 'runs' and 'hugs'. If you're back pedalling really fast, a fighter with that philosophy will call this 'running' and 'hugging' that's for sure. Watch at least a part of the Maidana-Floyd 1 fight live in the arena (on youtube). Whether you have Mayweather winning or losing this fight doesn't really matter. I have the fight a draw: [YT]19MgtqszNJI[/YT] Watch how his style, beyond all of the smokes and mirrors and the 'genius' behind it, is literally just him just refusing to engage in an actual physical contact sport as much as possible, in the hopes to win the fight like this: a. An uninspiring Olympic style point scoring. b. He is always on the back peddle, literally (running) all around the ring. c. He just pot shots. His punches have no real snap. Light jabs. d. If an opponent is throwing enough (and landing), he becomes a sitting duck. When he realises this, he literally just goes in for the hug. If Maidana were to try and point-score like Mayweather, he'd easily win if he decided to be like Mayweather and start running after he was ahead (landed his rather successful onslaughts) in each round. This could have been an EASY victory if Maidana and Robert Garcia shared the same fight philosophy. You call this 'creating distance, distance is defence'....atsch Rios-Alvarado Comparison People can use that approach if they want to. Alvarado cowardly decided to outpoint Rios after engaging in a war but deciding he didn't want anymore of the war as it was too much for him. It's a hollow victory where the take home message was that Alvarado gave up on the fight. It's not any other way. Can I blame him? No. He's taking a money making route. Shall I give him the props the person across the street will? No.
I want also to learn potshot and run,if i could earn 200$ mil paydays Floyd is there to win,not entertain just bleed fans.
Fighters do what it takes to win. To act like it is something any fighter could do is just a hilarious statement.
The question for me is why is Mayweather so popular among American fans. Americans have traditionally preferred exciting fighters. Personally I find him about three times more boring than Wlad, and that's intolerably boring.
OP, let me run something by you and you let me know what you think. Mayweather has won major titles in 5 divisions, only a handful of fighters in the entire history of the sport can make this claim. He's the only one to accomplish this feat without taking a loss. He's beaten over 20 world champions, has collected 3 FOTY awards, has been lineal champ in 4 divisions, has been a p4p rated fighter for almost 20 years, and has something like $500MM in career earnings. Given his unprecedented success in the sport, why has no on else tried to emulate his formula? Correction, Broner has tried to emulate his style and has had nowhere near the level of success. And if Loma and Rigo are better at what Floyd does than Floyd, then why does Rigo get knocked down all the time? Why did Loma lose to the same type of fighter that Floyd has beaten decisively over and over again in his career?
You might be right. However, that never happened so you it's really just a guess on your part. And while it was Loma's second official fight(he actually had something like 5 or 6 pro style fights previous to his 1st billed pro fight), he was also 25 years old. So I could easily counter your argument by stating that a 25 year old Mayweather would never lose to Salido. That's just another guess though as well. Taking guesses out of the equation, we have seen Mayweather take on that style of fighter several times and win decisively. Furthermore, it's a bit of a contradiction to say that right now, Loma is better than Mayweather while at the same time dismissing him losing to the same type of guy that Mayweather has beat over and over again due to Loma's lack of experience.
Fighters come to the ring with different styles of fighting. How can you fault one for having a style that most can't figure out. Great fighters adapt and find a way to win. No excuses.
Interesting thread. Surprised you haven't been labelled a "hater" yet, or spammed with #48 or 118-110
The funny thing about threads like these is that idiots like the OP try to define and encapsulate Floyd's entire career with his style at 38 years old. Where was all this running and hugging against Canelo, Cotto, JMM, Hatton, Mosley, Judah...? This is like me watching Hops vs Kovalev and coming to the conclusion that Hops has no chin and no inside game. Guess what, guys get older, and the best fighters as they get older adjust their style and somehow manage to remain effective enough to stay on top. The idea that anyone else can do what he did if they just used the same style/mentality is utterly ridiculous. No one else is good enough defensively to even come close.
On the surface this does seem like a fair point. However, Loma was a 7/1 favorite in that fight. I seems to me that you're implying he took a fight that no one in his position could win. I'm not sure how valid that argument is considering Loma was an overwhelming betting favorite. Furthermore, I'm arguing that Loma isn't as good as Floyd right now. If Loma is as good as Floyd right now, then it's hard to mitigate Loma's flaws due to his lack of experience. When looking at the big picture, I believe it's a credible argument. However, in the context of who is better right now between Floyd and Loma, I don't believe you can make the claim that Loma is the better fighter while simultaneously disregarding information that would suggest otherwise based on his lack of experience. Now if you want to argue that Loma has the potential to one day be better than Floyd, I believe that using Loma's lack of experience to mitigate his loss to Salido is very credible.
For Mayweather to be so "uninspiring ", he certainly seems to generate a large amount of activity on boxing boards.
This link here shows Loma as a little more than a 6/1 favorite At the time of this writing Lomachenko is an overwhelming favorite to win at -625 while Orlando Salido is the underdog at +400. http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/4213-Salido-vs-Lomachenko-Odds-and-preview This link had him as a 6/1 favorite http://www.proboxing-fans.com/betti...avy-favorite-to-defeat-orlando-salido_022114/ So I don't believe me saying Loma was a 7/1 shows any sort of bias being that there were sports books who had lines close to that. In regards to Loma's fight with Salido, in a vacuum that was a gutty performance by Loma. I give him a lot of props for that fight. However, when you say that Loma is better than Floyd right now, then you have to ****yze both of them as fighters right now. In this regards, it seems as though we are arguing two different things. I'm ****yzing Loma in his current form, you seem to be projected his future form based on current results. How do you see it?