Floyd Mayweather "Is technically flawed"

Darni187 · Apr 20, 2010

kosaros said: ↑

I don't even rate Pac's wins over De La Hoya (with hindsight), the 2nd fight with Barrera or the 3rd fight with Morales. Yet I still rate his record as being better than Mayweather's.

Pacquiao's first big fight was against the long standing OPBF flyweight champion Chokchai Chockvivat who had defended his title 8 times and briefly flirted within the top 10 of the division. Pacquiao, at aged 18, dominated Chokchai and knocked him out for the 10 count in the 5th round. After this, he had a few more fights before his first crack at a 'world' title against Chatchai Sasakul.

Sasakul's only defeat before Pacquiao was to Arbachkov, arguably a P4P top 10 fighter. He then avenged this loss and handed Arbachkov his only career defeat. Not to mention Arbachov was the top man in his division for 5 years. Sasakul was also within the top 10 of the division for 5 years before he met Pacquiao as well and was regarded as the 'top dog' when he and Pacquiao met. Pacquiao, who was 19 at the time and only in his 2nd scheduled 12 rounder, came from behind to knock Sasakul out to pick up the WBC flyweight title.

Pacquiao defended his title 2 times, beating Gabriel Mira (who was on a good run and he beat Yong-Soon Chang, a fighter who had only lost once before in a 'world' title challenge and was a former OPBF champion), but lost his 2nd defence against Medgoen Singsurat. This would be his last loss until he fought Eric Morales for the first time.

He then jumped up to Super-Bantamweight from Flyweight and in his first fight fought former 'world' title challenger Reynante Jamili, doing a quicker job than what Eric Morales managed (stopping Jamili in 2 rounds, whilst Morales took 6 rounds to do the job). In his next 4 fights, 3 of his opponents were either former or future 'world' title challengers and Nedal Hussein was very briefly seen as a top 10 Super-Bantamweight after being stopped by Pacquiao.

Pacquiao then got into a position to challenge for the IBF Super-Bantamweight title. His opponent was Lehlohonolo Ledwaba, a fighter who was one of the top guys at super-bantam for 2-3 years, had defended his IBF title 5 times and his only loss previously had been in his 12th fight. Pacquiao, coming into the fight as a late replacement, dropped Ledwaba 3 times and dominated him until the fight was waved off in the 6th round to become a 2-weight 'world' champion.

A technical draw with fellow 'world' champion Agapito Sanchez seemed to slow the momentum he had built since moving up in weight, but a win on the Lewis vs Tyson undercard against Jorge Julio (former WBA champion, admittedly 9 years before his bout with Pacquiao) got him back on track, as he became the only person to stop Julio halting him in the 2nd.

He had a couple of fights in his homeland before returning to the States to stop the unbeaten, overmatched Emmanuel Lucero in the 3rd round. This would be his last fight at Super-Bantamweight as he stepped up to challenge Marco Antonio Barrera.

Barrera, a top 10 P4P'er after beating Naseem Hamed, Eric Morales and Johnny Tapia recently, was made the overwhelming favourite against Pacquiao. Yet Barrera was battered by Pacquiao as he was floored in the 3rd and rescued in the 11th by his corner. In what is arguably his greatest performance, Pacquiao, the former Super-Bantamweight sensation became the number 1 featherweight in the world.

Pacquiao then fought the number 1 challenger in the division as he took on the Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez. Although Pacquiao floored Marquez 3 times in the 1st, Marquez came back to earn a draw, whilst many thought the decision should have went to Marquez. After a warm-up fight against Fahsan 3K Battery, he again stepped up in weight to challenge the legendary Eric Morales.

Morales had only lost two times before this fight (both to Barrera), but put on a great performance to win a close, but clear decision over Pacquiao. Pacquiao came back and beat the gatekeeper Hector Velazquez to set up another fight with Morales. Although Morales was upset by Zahir Raheem when he stepped up to Lightweight, he came back down in weight to fight Pacquiao. Although obviously not the force he once was, Pacquiao became the first man to stop Morales as he dropped him twice in the 10th, and ultimately, the final round.

A fight with Oscar Larios followed. Larios was a former two-time 'world' champion and had beaten the likes of Israel Vazquez, Wayne McCCullough (twice) and Willie Jorin. Although he had lost his last fight against Vazquez (their 3rd fight), he certainly looked in form as he took on Pacquiao, although he lost a lopsided decision. Pacquiao won for a 2nd time against Morales, in what was pretty much a meaningless fight.

Jorge Solis was his next opponent, and although he didn't come in with the best of records (although a win over Cristobal Cruz looks good now), he has proved his worth recently. A second fight with Barrera ended as expected as the Mexican warrior dropped a decision but left with his pride.

He then had his eagerly anticipated rematch with Juan Manuel Marquez. Although Pacquiao won his 3rd 'world' title, the fight could have went either way, yet the knockdown of Marquez in the 3rd round proved vital in Pacquiao winning the split decision.

Another step up in weight and another 'world' title as he took apart David Diaz and stopped him in the 9th. Again he stepped up in weight as he challenged the legend Oscar De La Hoya. Although he was seen as a massive underdog, Pacquiao, like in the 1st Barrera fight, battered his opponent until they could take no more. The win was pretty much discredited instantly after Oscar's weight problems became evident.

Going down to Light-Welterweight he took on the number 1 in the division Ricky Hatton. Although most predicted a tough fight for Pacquiao, he took apart Ricky flooring him twice in the first round and knocking him out with a chilling left hook in the 2nd round.

He then moved up to Welterweight to challenge Miguel Cotto. Although he was forced to weigh-in at 145, it didn't seem to affect Cotto as he looked impressive in the early stages. Yet Pacquiao took over, dropped Cotto twice (heavily the 2nd time) and caused the referee to stop the fight in the final round.

In his last fight he took on Clottey, who has been a top Welterweight for the last 5 years. And although Pacquiao didn't stop him, he impressively won every round (in most people's eyes) and Clottey had never been dominated like that before.

Sorry for going on (I didn't expect this post to be so long!!), but I thought I would point out some of his other wins at the lower weights on his record and I feel his record is that of a top 50 ATG fighter in my opinion. The same can't be said for Mayweather though I believe.
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LP_1985 · Apr 20, 2010

threethirteen said: ↑

Great post, Kos.
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x1. very good:good

Guy · Apr 20, 2010

:huhHe's technically fantastic, ever so slightly lacking in the bravery stakes sometimes, but a fabulous boxer.

avidlemon · Apr 20, 2010

kosaros said: ↑

I don't even rate Pac's wins over De La Hoya (with hindsight), the 2nd fight with Barrera or the 3rd fight with Morales. Yet I still rate his record as being better than Mayweather's.

Pacquiao's first big fight was against the long standing OPBF flyweight champion Chokchai Chockvivat who had defended his title 8 times and briefly flirted within the top 10 of the division. Pacquiao, at aged 18, dominated Chokchai and knocked him out for the 10 count in the 5th round. After this, he had a few more fights before his first crack at a 'world' title against Chatchai Sasakul.

Sasakul's only defeat before Pacquiao was to Arbachkov, arguably a P4P top 10 fighter. He then avenged this loss and handed Arbachkov his only career defeat. Not to mention Arbachov was the top man in his division for 5 years. Sasakul was also within the top 10 of the division for 5 years before he met Pacquiao as well and was regarded as the 'top dog' when he and Pacquiao met. Pacquiao, who was 19 at the time and only in his 2nd scheduled 12 rounder, came from behind to knock Sasakul out to pick up the WBC flyweight title.

Pacquiao defended his title 2 times, beating Gabriel Mira (who was on a good run and he beat Yong-Soon Chang, a fighter who had only lost once before in a 'world' title challenge and was a former OPBF champion), but lost his 2nd defence against Medgoen Singsurat. This would be his last loss until he fought Eric Morales for the first time.

He then jumped up to Super-Bantamweight from Flyweight and in his first fight fought former 'world' title challenger Reynante Jamili, doing a quicker job than what Eric Morales managed (stopping Jamili in 2 rounds, whilst Morales took 6 rounds to do the job). In his next 4 fights, 3 of his opponents were either former or future 'world' title challengers and Nedal Hussein was very briefly seen as a top 10 Super-Bantamweight after being stopped by Pacquiao.

Pacquiao then got into a position to challenge for the IBF Super-Bantamweight title. His opponent was Lehlohonolo Ledwaba, a fighter who was one of the top guys at super-bantam for 2-3 years, had defended his IBF title 5 times and his only loss previously had been in his 12th fight. Pacquiao, coming into the fight as a late replacement, dropped Ledwaba 3 times and dominated him until the fight was waved off in the 6th round to become a 2-weight 'world' champion.

A technical draw with fellow 'world' champion Agapito Sanchez seemed to slow the momentum he had built since moving up in weight, but a win on the Lewis vs Tyson undercard against Jorge Julio (former WBA champion, admittedly 9 years before his bout with Pacquiao) got him back on track, as he became the only person to stop Julio halting him in the 2nd.

He had a couple of fights in his homeland before returning to the States to stop the unbeaten, overmatched Emmanuel Lucero in the 3rd round. This would be his last fight at Super-Bantamweight as he stepped up to challenge Marco Antonio Barrera.

Barrera, a top 10 P4P'er after beating Naseem Hamed, Eric Morales and Johnny Tapia recently, was made the overwhelming favourite against Pacquiao. Yet Barrera was battered by Pacquiao as he was floored in the 3rd and rescued in the 11th by his corner. In what is arguably his greatest performance, Pacquiao, the former Super-Bantamweight sensation became the number 1 featherweight in the world.

Pacquiao then fought the number 1 challenger in the division as he took on the Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez. Although Pacquiao floored Marquez 3 times in the 1st, Marquez came back to earn a draw, whilst many thought the decision should have went to Marquez. After a warm-up fight against Fahsan 3K Battery, he again stepped up in weight to challenge the legendary Eric Morales.

Morales had only lost two times before this fight (both to Barrera), but put on a great performance to win a close, but clear decision over Pacquiao. Pacquiao came back and beat the gatekeeper Hector Velazquez to set up another fight with Morales. Although Morales was upset by Zahir Raheem when he stepped up to Lightweight, he came back down in weight to fight Pacquiao. Although obviously not the force he once was, Pacquiao became the first man to stop Morales as he dropped him twice in the 10th, and ultimately, the final round.

A fight with Oscar Larios followed. Larios was a former two-time 'world' champion and had beaten the likes of Israel Vazquez, Wayne McCCullough (twice) and Willie Jorin. Although he had lost his last fight against Vazquez (their 3rd fight), he certainly looked in form as he took on Pacquiao, although he lost a lopsided decision. Pacquiao won for a 2nd time against Morales, in what was pretty much a meaningless fight.

Jorge Solis was his next opponent, and although he didn't come in with the best of records (although a win over Cristobal Cruz looks good now), he has proved his worth recently. A second fight with Barrera ended as expected as the Mexican warrior dropped a decision but left with his pride.

He then had his eagerly anticipated rematch with Juan Manuel Marquez. Although Pacquiao won his 3rd 'world' title, the fight could have went either way, yet the knockdown of Marquez in the 3rd round proved vital in Pacquiao winning the split decision.

Another step up in weight and another 'world' title as he took apart David Diaz and stopped him in the 9th. Again he stepped up in weight as he challenged the legend Oscar De La Hoya. Although he was seen as a massive underdog, Pacquiao, like in the 1st Barrera fight, battered his opponent until they could take no more. The win was pretty much discredited instantly after Oscar's weight problems became evident.

Going down to Light-Welterweight he took on the number 1 in the division Ricky Hatton. Although most predicted a tough fight for Pacquiao, he took apart Ricky flooring him twice in the first round and knocking him out with a chilling left hook in the 2nd round.

He then moved up to Welterweight to challenge Miguel Cotto. Although he was forced to weigh-in at 145, it didn't seem to affect Cotto as he looked impressive in the early stages. Yet Pacquiao took over, dropped Cotto twice (heavily the 2nd time) and caused the referee to stop the fight in the final round.

In his last fight he took on Clottey, who has been a top Welterweight for the last 5 years. And although Pacquiao didn't stop him, he impressively won every round (in most people's eyes) and Clottey had never been dominated like that before.

Sorry for going on (I didn't expect this post to be so long!!), but I thought I would point out some of his other wins at the lower weights on his record and I feel his record is that of a top 50 ATG fighter in my opinion. The same can't be said for Mayweather though I believe.
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thanks for posting that, great commentary, and an education for me, as i have looked at pac's record, but did not fully appreciate what he had achieved until reading your post.

African Cobra · Apr 20, 2010

I am going on record now to nsay PBF will be the 1st man to stop Shane Mosley.

Primadonna Kool · Apr 20, 2010

Olu G. Rotimi said: ↑

I am going on record now to nsay PBF will be the 1st man to stop Shane Mosley.
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LP_1985 · Apr 20, 2010

Olu G. Rotimi said: ↑

I am going on record now to nsay PBF will be the 1st man to stop Shane Mosley.
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China_hand_Joe · Apr 20, 2010

avidlemon said: ↑

WTF?

On what basis?
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Mosley will win either 0 or 1 rounds against Floyd.

Don't even think about scoring rounds of useless agression Shane may have for Shane.

threethirteen · Apr 20, 2010

Olu G. Rotimi said: ↑

I am going on record now to nsay PBF will be the 1st man to stop Shane Mosley.
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That's just not in Floyd's nature. He's a good fighter, but Shane won't offer him the same opportunity that Hatton did. Shane's the bigger man, who ate shots from hard-punchers at LMW in Vargas and Mayorga - who couldn't shift him.

What are you basing such a wild prediction on?

Primadonna Kool · Apr 20, 2010

Floyd Mayweather : Just about won against Oscar De La Hoya.

Floyd Mayweather : Could'nt stop or even let his hands go against JMM, but fair enough he out boxed him.

Floyd Mayweather : Was in a close fight with Ricky hatton, did'nt look "out of this world godly" against Ricky Hatton in my opinion. Floyd Mayweather had 2 stand out rounds, and the rest of the rounds, where very close and competitive.........he landed afew pot shots here and there WHOA.

Floyd Mayweather wins, there's no doubt about that. But people must understand, that he dose'nt blow away guys, he dose'nt end their careers.

He's not gonna blow away Shane Mosley, and he WON'T end his career.

threethirteen · Apr 20, 2010

He's not gonna blow away Shane Mosley, and he WON'T end his career.
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I wouldn't even be sure he beats Mosley.

China_hand_Joe · Apr 20, 2010

Mayweather won every single round against Oscar, the judges were horrific and scored rounds to Oscar based on ignorant ****ing women screaming in the crowd as he swung at air and gloves.

threethirteen · Apr 20, 2010

Mayweather won every single round against Oscar
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I expect Mayweather made his eye swell up all on his own, yeah?

Primadonna Kool · Apr 20, 2010

China_hand_Joe said: ↑

Mayweather won every single round against Oscar, the judges were horrific and scored rounds to Oscar based on ignorant ****ing women screaming in the crowd as he swung at air and gloves.
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Floyd Mayweather did not win every rounds VS Oscar De La Hoya, i was support Mayweather in that fight, and it was a very close fight..!!!

Mayweather was marked up and busted up slightly from Oscar De La Hoya.

Every single round..? what the ****.

China_hand_Joe · Apr 20, 2010

He landed more (2:1 at least every round)

He landed harder

He landed cleaner

You do not score Oscar rounds for walking forwards, flurrying the air nearby Floyd's elusive head.

Watch the fight again, Floyd wins them all, maybe you scored Oscar some rounds because he got outclassed slightly less than in other rounds. Pity rounds.

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