Floyd Mayweather is the black Joe Calzaghe.

What does this mean? How can someone be a master boxer but not a great fighter?

 

So maybe there is some truth to what Joe Calzaghe has been saying the entire time: That he always wanted the big fights, but Frank Warren was unwilling to work with American promoters...the fights happened when he split from Frank Warren...coincidence?

 

Thats perfectly fair.

Just pisses me off when people talk shite like it was a totally one sided thing with Joe just not wanting to fight anyone!

 

No, they're not. I actually like Calzaghe. But since none of us know the particulars of that ill-fated possible deal, none of us should speak of it. You don't know if Calzaghe was being unreasonable or if he demanded an equal split or if he wanted Hopkins to come to the UK. What we do know for certain is that Joe waited around until his early 30's for the perfect deal (Lacey, again). Sorry, but that was a pattern with Joe. And it is pretty darn unlikely that Joe couldn't find the right fight....It is, however, far more likely that he couldn't find the perfect fight, on his terms, early in his career. Face it, the guy didn't take big risks. And that is find for a very good champion. But it is what will prevent him from achieving all time great status. You wait and see. The years will not be kind to Calzaghe. :tired

 

You could argue this with Hatton.

I've always wondered what would have happened if Joe had split with warren earlier.

Don't get me wrong Joe had some messed up years where his head wasn't in the right place but for me he always wanted to be the best!

 

You beat me to it. The Toney fight is of particular interest. I remember that fight because it was not only one of the first superfights I ever saw, but it was the probably the only time Jones has been an underdog in his entire career (until lately of course). Joes was also the only fighter of the ones we have discussed who clearly defeated an all time great in his prime.

 

I'm not claiming this is fact because I don't have a link (I will try and verify). But Warren supposedly put a £2 million pound offer to Hopkins in an open letter and he turned it down to fight for $500,000.oo This was I believe in 02.

 

the **** does joe c a retired undeafeated great fighter have to do with floyd wanting to fight matt hatton and go on the wwe

 

Sorry, were you a fly on the wall in the conference room when this deal was discussed? If not, your opinion means squat.

 

This makes sense, on its face. But that fact is that all great fighters are also great at getting fights made. Whether we are talking about Leonard and Hagler, Ali and Foreman, or Lous and Schmelling. They get the deal done. Perhaps this is because they are willing to make sacrifices, take pay cuts and even occasionally agree to unreasonable demands to get a fight signed. In the end, you are judged by your opposition, and, as I said, great fighters always find a way to get big fights made.

 

Read my post before jumping on me! :twisted:

I wasn't questioning Hattons resume!

I was saying that the big fights may have come sooner for him if he had left Warren earlier!

Capish?

 

Almost nothing in this world is truly one sided.....I don't know why boxing would be any different. You know what they say.....there are 3 sides to every story...... your side..... my side......... and the truth.
In JC's case, I think both sides of the argument are so dug in its hard to sway them one way or the other, which is why there are truly countless threads on the subject.

 

How about we put it this way. If joe actually had a loss on his record, would he receive half the **** he gets on these boards?

And I don't care what people say about his fight with Hopkins. Calzaghe won that fight, and the judges were absolutely correct in giving him the SD, not to mention the version he fought was a bloody good version of Hopkins. How anyone can downplay that victory so much is beyond me.

Calzaghe was a good fighter and achieved a lot in his time, I agree he could have pursued the bigger fights and taken a few more risks in order to establish a firmer legacy, but it's not as though it's entirely his fault they didn't happen, as many people seem to think.

I think it's certainly fair to compare his resume with that of Mayweather's, though I don't doubt that May is the better fighter.

Would once again like to ask, if Joe had just the 1 loss to his name, would he receive half the amount of **** he gets on here? I honestly don't think he would.

 

Who cares? Sorry to be blunt. But adults don't blame other people for their mistakes. If Frank Warren was getting the way, he should have fired Frank Warren. It's kiddie stuff to blame someone for your own mistaken years after the fact. Also, Joe was the boss. He was the one people were paying to see. Sorry, but that a bull**** story.