Floyd Mayweather Jr Fans only: To this day, I don't see why you guys rated your...

You dont even know what you are talking about.

Mosley has never tested positive, how can you try to talk on the subject when you dont even know that?

 

Irrelevant.

Floyd Mayweather Jr didn't beat any great fighters at 147lb, and therefore I never considered him the best fighter in that division.

There is no arguement.

 

Then you lose all credibility, and I know longer wish to discuss Boxing with you.

You maybe consider Cotto A level, and the fighter who just stopped him in convincing fashion is not even close to A level. Your logic is beautiful


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If you talk about career wise at 147 then no he's not the best, but if you talk about the best fighter, than yes

 

My point is, Floyd Mayweather Jr was never as good as people think he was as a 147lb fighter. He had the belts, he was a great opportunist, but he never beat any great fighters at the weight. Regardless of circumstances, I feel by now we've all established that this is a fact.

 

Based on what?

It isn't good enough in the fight game to just assume he would have beat fighters. If that's how this game worked, Foreman would have beat Ali, Cotto would have beat Margarito, and the list would be endless. If you're "better than Ray Robinson" and "more skilled than Muhammad Ali", then do yourself and your legacy justice, but daring to be great. Floyd didn't dare to be that great, but power to him for making as much money as he did whilst he was active. A great businessman.

 

He's an all time great.

 

Somewhere between 40-50 would maybe be fair. He gets a lot of props for moving around weights and still being successful, however his resume isn't what it could and should have been. Floyd's career is somewhat a sad one, he had the potential to be somewhere around the top 15 of all time, but he didn't want to take the risks neccesary to be amongst the fighters he said he was greater than.

 

Hell no, top 10 at least. And of course for me he's number 1

 

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I think there is a lot to be said for that type of comment. Me and you differ, because Marco Antonio Barrera is my favourite fighter of all time but I would never try and argue him being that high. You have to strike a balance between your love for your fighter and objectiveness.

 

I was attempting to have an amicable and objective discussion about PBF's career, but **** that, since you are incapable of crafting a reply that is not laced with insults and dismissive arrogance.


just your opinion and nothing official - Erm, I don't know if you have noticed, but this is an internet boxing forum. Of course I am giving my opinion, and explaining that opinion. I think that's kind of the whole point of being here??


Also you're wrong, Mayweather was P4P#1 till he retired - Nah, I'm not wrong actually, you simply do not have a very strong grasp of the English language. I wrote "PBF was p4p#1 in '06". How does that imply I think he was only p4p#1 in that year and no other?? What I meant was 2006 was the year he became welterweight no1, because that was the year he first won a title at welterweight, and when he beat Judah and Baldomir, and so his status contributed to him becoming no1 in the division. After beating Judah and Baldomir, he hadn't beaten the 2 best fighters in the division, and he was not undisputed champion, but what I said was he was still a legitimate no1 because even though he had only had 3 fights at the weight, he had won 2 major titles and he was the p4p no1.
I don't know why you would feel the need to act like Stephen Hawking because you know Floyd Mayweather was p4p no1 from 05-08, I think anyone with a passing interest in boxing knows that.


If his resume is worthless to you - WHEN have I ever said that?! Honestly, these laughably childish comments do you no credit. I have said on this very thread that his resume is VERY GOOD, just not great. I started a thread just the other day called "What was Floyd Mayweather's greatest victory?" and wrote why I thought it was Corrales. You guys really have to grow up and stop taking every objective criticism of Mayweather as a hate campaign. Do you not have any critical opinions of great fighters?? (yes, I think Mayweather is great in terms of ability) Nah I forgot, a boxing forum isn't the time or the place to air opinions about boxing.


the undisputed champion was Zab Judah and lost his title to Baldomir, so a #1 fighter was available and active whether you approve of the fighter or not just shows complete idiocy and disrespect - Yes, Mayweather did beat Baldomir, but it is complete idiocy to think Baldomir was the best fighter in the division at the time. Anyone who saw him fight in the years leading up to the Judah fight, or has in fact ever seen him fight, knows he was not. You are purposefully choosing to have a black-and-white view of this for your own agenda. Yes he had the no1 spot in The Ring magazine at the time because he beat the woefully inconsistent Judah, if you choose to cling on to that rather than own an opinion about the respective abilities of the guys in the welterweight division, that's your own view of the sport. By the way, THE BIBLE OF BOXING just now rates Joel Casamayor above Nate Campbell, Manny Pacquiao and Juan Diaz. Do you agree? I'm not saying I don't, but you might, I don't know- it's called 'your opinion'. The opinion of the guys at a boxing magazine is not FACT.


Whether he thrashed Margarito or defeated Cotto and Berto he would get NO credit for it AT ALL - Do you honestly believe he wouldn't get any credit if he had beaten a huge welterweight champion like Margarito or Williams, that had actually proved to be dangerous (come on, Baldomir was never as good as those 2 guys)? He would. Just beating a champion with such size advantages who was still in his prime would be one of his best wins. Not as good as Corrales, but up there with Castillo and Hatton IMO. And OBVIOUSLY and OFFICIALLY he would get ENORMOUS credit for beating Margarito now. Whether you rate it or not, it was a tremendous win over Cotto, and Margarito is now #6 p4p with the hallowed Bible- PBF has only ever beaten 1 guy ranked higher than that, Corrales (#5).


Your whole paragraph about his opposition is just a load of infantile dog****. I doubt anyone (sane) has ever criticized him for fighting Corrales and Castillo, they were both quality. Corrales was p4p#5 for ****s sake, I don't think anyone said he was a nobody!! Mature and objective boxing fans, as I believe I am, always try to take each case on its merits. Baldomir IMO was not a world class fighter. Judah was good, talented, but not great. Gatti was easy pickings at the time Floyd fought him- that is NOT a criticism of Mayweather, just a genuine opinion on Gatti. DLH was a very good win, but it must be said that he was 35, he was rustier than an old bike, and Floyd only sneaked it on the scorecards. Not really a great win. Nowhere near as good as Corrales or Castillo II IMO.


fact is whether you want to accept it or not Mayweather is a great fighter with great skills and a great career - I do want to accept it. He is a great fighter. He does have great skills. He did have a great career. He did not have a great resume. My opinion is different from yours. There's no need to scream HATE, same as I don't scream NUTHUGGER like a ****ing moron.


idiotic haters claimed those 2 fights against Hatton and DLH were not impressive at all - I'm sure if you look back at this thread you will see I said something along the lines that DLH was a good win, and that Hatton was a super performance by Floyd. I have already said that before your criticisms of me. But that doesn't change that DLH was well past prime, and that Hatton had proved in his fight with Collazo that he did not cope well at 147. These are the reasons I think Corrales is his best win, as that was 2 young unbeaten guys putting it all on the line. See- taking each case on its merits??


No this post wasn't to convince you that Mayweather is a great fighter with a great record and a guarantee in the HOF - Why do you think I thought this thread was dedicated to me? Of course I didn't. The thread was someone saying PBF should not have ever been no1 in ww division, and I joined in to explain why I thought he was a legitimate no1. I don't see whats wrong in that.


officially you will be silenced as time goes - Why? What's going to happen? Is Mayweather going to silence people like me by coming back and beating Margarito or Williams? But I thought he would get no credit AT ALL for doing this? So why would that OFFICIALLY(?) silence anyone? Make your mind up.


I don't give a **** - yep, you're definitely one crazy carefree S.O.B, not giving a ****ing **** while you type out essays about Floyd Mayweather's career.


Plenty of ****. :hi:

 

How can anyone argue with this?? This guy, like me, is clearly no hater. We are just giving our objective opinions. I don't see how this statement can be disagreed with- it's just true.

 

My favourite 5 fighters ever are Alexis Arguello, Aaron Pryor, Roberto Duran, Roy Jones Jr and Manny Pacquiao.

Only Duran makes it into who I think the greatest 5 fighters actually are, and Pryor and Pacquiao wouldn't be in the top 30.

The two things are entirely different.

 

Idiot, when Floyd moved to Welterweight Zab was still with all three belts, that's the time I was referring to and his target was THAT Zab Judah only to see Judah lose a tune-up and a mandatory in Baldomir.

 

There is a difference between OPINION and ACTUAL FACTS. That's what I was trying to explain to you but obviously your head must be way smaller than I thought.

Then that a mistake coming straight from you, next time you post either be more specific like you were there or spare the smart-ass act for yourself, you're not telling me anything I don't know. Mayweather the #1 fighter and undisputed champion at Welterweight and beating Baldomir gave him that status whether you want to accept it or not is your opinion, it doesn't change the facts. Mayweather beats Baldomir who beats Judah who beat Spink who beat Mayorga who beat Forrest who beat Mosley who beat DLH..etc

Complicated?, your problem and spare me yet another smart-ass bull**** post. :good

Idiot, I never said you can't post your opinion about boxing, damn fool, when you can't read properly nor understand then don't blame me for doing the same when you're clearly not being specific and just a plain out fool. Clearly said that opinion never changes the facts, you can post YOUR personal opinion but when it comes to actual facts you twist it based on opinion, that's what I claimed I don't give a **** about. Hope it's better for you to understand now.

Yes he was the best fighter in the division at the time and OFFICIALLY considered the best. See what I mean by official statements and opinion?, this is an OFFICIAL discussion I asked for with you leaving your opinion for yourself. OFFICIALLY HE WAS CONSIDERED THE BEST AND #1, RIGHT?, end of discussion. Won't even bother to read the rest of that post.

To be honest, yes I do think he would get no credit at all for beating Margarito. For God's sake I already saw enough excuses for Margarito, the huge underdog, after he beat Cotto and most of them are discrediting Margarito than praising Cotto. You think someone as hated as Mayweather would get any credit?, I don't think so, excuses and bull**** will always be there even if Margarito was as big as a heavyweight coming into the fight.

DLH is a good win but he's rustier than an old bike, fair enough. What makes you think the same thing won't be said about a win over Mosley?, even the much loved Cotto doesn't seem to get more credit for that win, yet Mosley is considered a legit threat and Oscar as Mayweather's first fight at 154 isn't, why?, because Mayweather won't it's pretty easy. The fight being close proved that it was a legit and tough battle, was Oscar shot and old?, of course he was but still good enough to be considered dangerous and a legit challenge/threat. That's what I was trying to say there.

I do have the right to scream hate or whatever I want, with all the idiots surrounding the place I think it's pretty much easy to scream whatever you want at this point especially when an idiot like yourself doesn't be more specific in his replies.