Floyd Mayweather Jr Fans only: To this day, I don't see why you guys rated your...

Fair enough and your personal opinion, can't force you to change your mind there.

The credit he will officially get is what's going to silence you, that's what I was referring to and I don't give two shits about what you think, my post had a list of actual facts about what happened and nothing else. Your personal opinion doesn't change ****.

 

even though he is a litle *****, he was the champ at welterweight, but not legit he realy picked and choosed who to fight

 

He only had 4 fights, how did he exactly "pick and choose"?, if he had far more fights then sure I'll agree with you.

His first fight was a tune-up before going for Judah who was also having his tune-up and mandatory in Baldomir, Judah lost and Floyd still went with the Judah fight which was already heavily advertised and ACCEPTED by Arum his self, who Floyd was with at the time, just like Margarito. Don't forget that Floyd tried to fight Baldomir instead but couldn't get the fight, just like he tried to drag Margarito out of a fight with Manuel Gomez but still couldn't get it either so he went for it regardless. Then Floyd was rumored to move up to Light Middleweight to fight Spinks in a fight CLEARLY showing interest from Floyd to fight DLH, which is why Floyd left Arum in the first place. No one wanted that fight and people demanded that Floyd beats the champion in the division, something he couldn't do at Light Welterweight when Hatton claimed he's not ready so he did, after it people gave him no credit because he won. Then the DLH fight happened at Light Middleweight and a fight with Hatton which both fights secured him the fighter of the year status in 2007, meaning both fights were legit and appreciated officially.

 

Floyd didnt fight the best out there, you know he didnt. He fought judah a boxer with great skills, speed and power buta sorry ass chin an poor cardio, last four rounds and its easy pickens. Baldomir had good inside fighting skills, good chin, decent power but slow as ****, didnt know how to box and easy to hit. Mosley all around good, Cotto hella talenlented and skilled, Margo strong,tough, good inside fighter, awsome cardio, chin as stong as cordium. I think DLH beat him in the mega fight and would have ko'ed him in the rematch but Floyd was a little ***** an dropped out. DLH is old and supposedly washed up and Floyd pulled out a SD, very impressive

 

Those are the guys available whether you appreciate them or not. Also considering Margarito far better than Baldomir is ridiculous, the only difference there is Margarito's stamina and work-rate(which is stamina), both guys fight the same, if anything Baldomir knows how to cut off the ring better than Margarito.

I didn't think Floyd beat DLH either but still it was close enough to go either way and the judges saw that Floyd did more, Oscar performing very well and coming 110% prepared is what made it a tough close fight, it's not what you see bad in Floyd that made Oscar look good so give Oscar some much deserved credit here.

Floyd wanted the Oscar rematch but didn't you see the outrage from people in general about a possible rematch?, people bashed on that fight so much that it was just out of the question at that point, not many supported it, even though I personally would have loved to see a rematch. Then again this proves that the haters who say Floyd is only money are bull**** and correct at the same time, he was offered way more money for the rematch than ever before yet he declined it right there and then.

About Margarito I already explained the case there, at the time when Floyd was active the man did nothing worth mentioning to be honest in comparison to even Judah who did more in 1 fight at the time than everything Margarito did, remember I said AT THAT TIME. Also when Margarito came out to call Hatton instead of Margarito do you remember what was going on?, Margarito was coming off a LOSS to Paul Williams and Williams lost to Quintana for God's sake, who else is there?, Cotto who just came out of a tough battle against Mosley?, no other better offer was there and Hatton wanted the fight, that also includes the boxing public and the 850,000 PPV buys this mega-event made. If Floyd did nothing impressive in 2007 then care to explain why wasn't Cotto or even Margarito voted fighter of the year then?, conspiracy?, I think not. The public already hated Floyd for winning so voting against him was easier than ever.

 

Boxing is thriving with or without Floyd.

If he wants to ***** around and not build a legacy on Margarito/Williams/Cotto then so be it. I gotta give him this though, he hasn't said **** about Margarito or Williams since retiring (or so I think?) so respect to him.

He beat the lineal 147lbs champion, but in no way he's got the record to say he's the best 147lbs'er in the last 3 years.

I will say this though, he would **** Paul Williams (And I like Paul, but he's vastly overrated.. he's just a freakishly big WW who will compete with some fighters like Margarito and be totally outboxed by others)

 

He happened to be in the right place at the right time. He beat Baldo and Gatti for belts. For f--ks sake, that is nothing. He isn't even top 20 all-time WW.

 

We just seem to think about boxing differently. You think the ratings of one boxing magazine are OFFICIAL FACTS. I don't necessarily. For example, if the no1 guy in a division makes a voluntary defence against a little-known fighter, and loses, I don't accept that winner is now OFFICIALLY better than the guy who was legitimately ranked no2. When Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson in 1990, that didn't mean to me that he was OFFICIALLY better than Evander Holyfield, even though he may have been ranked above him by 1 boxing magazine. One fight doesn't make you OFFICIALLY better than a guy who has had a better career and is clearly a superior boxer, same as writing the word OFFICIALLY in capital letters all the time doesn't make it mean any more than just a statement of you agreeing with the OPINION of a group of guys who work at a magazine.


Then that a mistake coming straight from you, next time you post either be more specific like you were there - it was your rather idiotic mistake to be honest though. Saying 'Floyd Mayweather was p4p#1 in '06' simply does not mean in any context that he was only p4p#1 for that year.
Marvin Hagler was the best middleweight in the world in 1986
If you are discussing 1986, this is true, how exactly does it mean he wasn't the best in 1985 or 1987? You should have known Mayweather only became welterweight no1 in '06, your error not mine.


yes I do think he would get no credit at all for beating Margarito. For God's sake I already saw enough excuses for Margarito, the huge underdog, after he beat Cotto and most of them are discrediting Margarito than praising Cotto - clearly we have a different idea of what maturity and objectivity and opinion mean. If you let yourself get all offended by the childish tit-for-tat fanboys on here then that really is your problem. No-one with half a brain would discredit Margarito for a superb win over Cotto, same as no-one with half a brain would discredit Mayweather if he beat Margarito now, same as they wouldn't have discredited his win over Corrales or Castillo II. I tried to explain taking each case on its individual merits, but a concept of objectivity is blatantly beyond you, you're so twisted and blinkered with fanboy bias this is futile.


Oscar shot and old?, of course he was but still good enough to be considered dangerous and a legit challenge/threat. That's what I was trying to say there. - Me too. It was a good win, but not a great one, because Oscar was old and (I wouldn't even say 'shot' like you do, he isn't shot like the way RJJ is, he can still compete at the top level, he is just...) well past his prime.


I do have the right to scream hate or whatever I want - You keep on screaming then. While some of us try to discuss and debate.

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Of course it doesn't make him officially better than everyone, that's ridiculous and my intention wasn't to get at that, though I can't blame you for thinking so. What I mean is that he was #1 and man TO BEAT, meaning he can be beat if one goes up in rankings and is worth a shot at that TITLE. Titles come and go of course, capturing it doesn't mean you're better than all unless you beat them all, I totally know that and completely agree there.

Of course I know he did and late in the year, what's so difficult to know there, all I was discussing was the P4P#1 spot which I thought you claimed he was worth the title for 1 year only. As Pacquiao fans, the both of us, I don't see why I can be blamed for assuming you hinted at that.

Well discussing here it's hard to tell who has brains and who hasn't and I don't think you can blame me there at all, but as we discuss right now I see that we share similar thoughts when it comes to the fighting game in general so I'll leave it at that.

As far as wins over Margarito are concerned the majority of the boxing public didn't seem to give Williams good enough credit after his win over Margarito. I'm not pointing at this site only but the majority seemed to claim that Margarito was nothing but a hype job and all of that smack, what makes you think that Mayweather, the most hated fighter, would get any credit worth mentioning for beating Margarito BEFORE, I'm not discussing anything related to now because our discussion goes way back, right now he will definitely get credit but I don't think he would have gotten anything before. If it was Cotto then yes, he would have gotten some good credit even though bull**** like "Cotto isn't ready" would still be spotted but overshadowed as time goes.

Well said.

 

I have nothing more to add really, we have fought our way to an understanding! Respect :good

 

Margo has alot more power than Baldomir. as for the rest your right, but i still think he could have took more risk. he is very talented but it just seems once he got into the welterweight division he stoped fighting like that savage he was at lightweight. granted when you move up in weight you have to make adjustments to power and stuff but he stopped being entertaining and, if he would have gone balls to the wall on those judah, Baldomir,Hatton, DLH fights i feel he would have earned that title of most impessive fighter of 2007. regardless he was ranked the true welterweight champ

 

Had the balls?, what do you mean?, stand and leave his self open like Margarito does and use his head as his defensive weapon to satisfy a few scrubs that don't understand nor appreciate true defense and movement?, UFC didn't open for no reason, those guys can simply jump there and enjoy all they want. If that's what you mean then you have a lot to learn.

Fact is true movement, speed and ring generalship is what a special fighter can apply, such fighters don't come all the time, sluggers who use their heads as a defensive tool come all the time, I could name 10 right now if not more. Guys like Mayweather, Whitaker, Leonard, Ali, Robinson don't come every year and there's a reason behind it. As I said, if you don't understand that specific style in boxing then you're seriously lacking. Using your head as a punching bag doesn't represent true boxing, it represents clubfighting.

 

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I have a problem with you mentioning Mayweather amongst names like Whitaker, Leonard, Ali, who fought everybody who was aroun during their respective era.

You're selling Margarito short just because he doesn't adopt the cliche style a successful Boxer is supposed to display? Antonio Margarito, in all of his other fights against opponents, was taking defense more into consideration. Antonio had the right gameplan against Cotto, he didn't waste his time worrying about avoiding to get hit because he knew Cotto couldn't hurt him. He wanted to apply as much pressure as physically possible, and to do that he totally disregarded defence and it worked out for him. He proved the majority of people wrong, and that is to his credit.

Margarito is not a club fighter, he just holds advantages in other area's. He isn't as physically blessed as Muhammad Ali or Floyd Mayweather Jr, but he has unquestionable heart and will, and will rather die than lose in that ring. If you give preference only to speed and ellusiveness then I think it is your taste thats is majorly lacking. In addition, Margarito can put combinations together well, and mixes it up to the body head as well as anybody in the Welterweight division. He sticks to his strengths, and he fights whoever is put infront of him.

Fact is, Boxing is a sport of many different styles, not just a Floyd Mayweather Jr.

 

"going Balls to the wall" means duking out, still boxing, but doing it with agressiveness and putting your all into it. i dont mean he had no balls, every guy that go's in that ring has balls