+/-: Floyd Mayweather Jr / Manny Pacquiao

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  1. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Recently in my spare time (sadly I have a little too much at the time) I've tried to watch Fights on Both of these guys to make a legitimate case for each guys advantages and disadvantages and I had a really hard time doing so.... Pac is so awkward and Floyd Fights differently more or less from fight to fight so its really hard or me to develop conclusive evidence for one guy or the other

    What I'm looking for in this thread ( from my more intelligent posters ) is to list the positives and negatives for each guy going into this potential matchup


    this is just an example

    Floyd Mayweather
    + Excellent Counter Punching Ability
    + Ability to counter Pacmans ________ punch
    - Susceptible to ______ punch
    _ waits too long to start fighting

    Manny Pacquaio
    + Fights at an extremely fast pace that will confuse Floyd
    + Throws _______ Punch
    - Susceptible to ______ punch


    You guys get the idea here..... I'm just looking for help cause i cant really do it myself
     
  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    It's clear as day that PBF holds the styles advantage in this fight. Many can't handle counter-punchers and if JMM had a chin he would have beaten Pac 2x.
     
  3. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    well i personally dont think the way manny caught jmm has so much to do about jmm's chin...manny just starts off so fast and awkward that it catches a lot of guys by surprise and I dont think jmm was prepared for him in the first round of the first fight... or the other roudn in the 2nd fight.. i forget which round it is....

    but regardless though to me the jmm & pacman fight is a lot of back n fourth action... one guy would win 1 round and the next roudn would go to the other guy....

    I dont think its fair to pacman to just say "manny cant handle counter punchers"... there has to be more to it than that
     
  4. Lakers2432

    Lakers2432 Active Member Full Member

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    For speed I will give them Pretty much even. Mayweather might have a slight advantage.
    Counter punching goes to PBF. Ring generalship also goes to PBF. Defense goes to PBF as well. Power in my opinion also has to go to Floyd because he was able to buckle De La Hoya a few times even though he had those huge gloves on and De La Hoya was at his natural weight 154. I would say right now Pac throws better Combinations then PBF. I would also say that PBF straight Right is better then Pacs straight left. Stamina is a draw. Body work has to go to Floyd who does not get enough credit for his body work. Simply put Pac has no advantage really over Floyd, Pac is going to be in for a long night in my honest opinion. PBF has the reach and technical skills wise is far superior to Pac. Ring smarts has to also go to PBF because he has shown to be the more versitle fighter.
     
  5. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    so how would you take those advantages & disadvantages to formulate a game plan... or a projection of how the fight would turn out
     
  6. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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    It would indeed be a long night for pacquiao.. But dont count on him, he's so awkward and fast that can make Floyd experience the worst beating of his life... or not...
     
  7. Lakers2432

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    I gave Pac the advantage in throwing combinations but in this fight that is exactly what he does not want to do. Throwing all those punches leaves Pac open for counters from argubaly one of the best counter punchers of all time.
    Pac needs to be really patient this fight and let Floyd lead some and counter Floyd. Zab which is the best comparison against PBF we have was not landing combinations on Floyd but one punch at a time. Pac needs to jab and faint and give PBF something to think about then try to land the straight left. Then move out of range and reset.
    If Pac stays in front of PBF all fight and chase him around its going to be a long night for Pac Man. I don't think he can go in to this fight thinking knock out. Agressive fighters play right in to Moneys hands and lets him counter which is what he is best at. Beat PBF to the punch and then reset to me is his only chance. I honestly feel like Pac is Taylor made for PBF.
     
  8. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    You used to say the only people who will trouble Floyd are fast Southpaw's with power. :patsch
     
  9. Lakers2432

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    PBF just needs to be PBF. Manny being a south paw is going to play right in to PBF favorite punch which is his lead right. PBF is going to let Pac be the agressor and Pot shot early in the fight with check left hooks and lead rights. Use his movement and ring generalship and feints and set traps for Pac to walk in to.
    PBF body work mainly the stiff jab to the body will surely show up later in the fight like all his fights. Just box like he always does and later in the fight open up more and more as Pac gets frustrated because he won't be landing many shots on PBF because hell up until this point no one really has.
    PBF would be wise to keep his jab in Pac's face early. Movement will be the key as far as not letting Manny get off while PBF is very comfortable fighting on his back foot. I look for PBF to go out of his way to take Pacs left away from him and make him use that right hand more. Pacs right looked good against David Diaz and Hatton but PBF ain't them so we will really see where Pacs right hand is now as a fighter.
     
  10. Lakers2432

    Lakers2432 Active Member Full Member

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    Also if they wear 8 oz gloves Pac is getting KTFO.
     
  11. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Bull****! I also said a southpaw with long arms and a good jab who can counter. But you left that part out.:deal You won't beat PBf if you lack a jab like Pac does because it won't keep PBF honest. Not to mention Pac has short arms and will have to come in against a guy with quick hands who can counter and has good footwork and defense. Zab Judah had more advantages against PBF than Pac does because he had a jab and longer arms.
     
  12. smitty_son408

    smitty_son408 J ust E njoy T his S hit Full Member

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    Floyd Mayweather

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    1. The bigger and stronger man, unquestionably.

    2. Possesses extremely good footwork and balance, if Manny is looking to come forward and hope to trap Floyd and batter him on the ropes he will catch hell, he needs more tactics

    3. Great counter-puncher. This style seems to trouble Pac-man. If Floyd chooses to let Pac-man take the lead and gets into a good rhythm early by circling him and pot-shotting he has a good chance. I myself think that he may take the lead (like he does with all southpaws)

    4. Defensive versatility. Not only does he perform the shoulder roll to perfection, but he utilizes all forms of defense brilliantly, from both the high or mixed guard. If Manny does land punches, will he become discouraged and reckless???

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    1. When taking the lead against southpaws (which again he has always done) he always walks them down and circles to his right, directly into their power hand. It's one of the sole reasons he has been tagged flush against every lefty he's faced. Something to think about...

    2. Usually paws with the left hand, leaving him open for right jabs/hook counter's. Manny has begun to develop a good right hand.

    3. Susceptible to the feint/ lead left in succession i.e. Judah. I have stated that you have to feint Floyd setting up your punches, while throwing off his rhythm and timing, Judah did this well for the time being.

    Manny Pacquiao

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    1. May very well hold the speed advantage, especially since Floyd has been away for 2 years. You don't get faster the older you get.

    2. Has extremely great Stamina and fights at a blistering pace that troubles most fighters, especially rhythm fighters i.e. Floyd.

    3. Has great (awkward) body movement, this is basically what his rhythm and timing is based off and also throws off the rhythm and timing of his opponents. This odd movement along with feints can cause hell for Floyd, because again Floyd is first and foremost a rhythm fighter.

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    1. Doesn't circle to his right. He gives up his advantages by doing this it also leads to his opponents lead foot being placed on the outside of his and we all know what happens next. Floyd has the best right hand in the game if he finds his lead foot on the inside of Floyd's all night HE WILL NOT WIN.

    2. Doesn't possess an effective jab. Uses it as a range finder not as an effective scoring weapon, if he wants to upset Floyd's rhythm and set up his power punches he has to use and effective lead hand.

    3. Falls over when throwing the straight left. Again if he isn't setting this punch up with an effective jab then most certainly Floyd will see the left hand coming all night. If he finds himself out of position expect for him to be countered by some big punches.

    4. Drops his left hand when throwing the right hand. Once again he's getting in there with a guy who has one of the best right hands in the history of the sport. He would need to iron these kinks out.

    Overall this a terrific styles match-up and I demand to see it:yep. I may have missed a few things, matter of fact, I am certain I did. But, I hope this suffices your needs:good
     
  13. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Honestly I wouldn't even be able to tell... pacman is so damn random its hard for me to notice any glaring weakness that i can accurately pick up in comparison to floyds style