Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragón, July 31st 1996

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  1. IntentionalButt

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    Pants tented.
     
  2. Boxed Ears

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    Whenever this fight is on, it's like whenever Hayley Atwell is in the room. Your focus can only be on the struggle. It's nature.
     
  3. Gannicus

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    I actually found that fight a genuine joke to score. It's so impossible, such fast work by both and to compute that effectively was a joke (sorting the non-clean to the clean ones).
    To me it was as even as it gets. The scorecard didn't give credit to some decent shots that both fighters landed.
     
  4. Enigmadanks

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    Lorenzo was able to make it a bit closer in the final round, but that was due to Mayweather employing a more defensive oriented style for the 3rd round. Lots of holding from both men in that final round as well.

    I have to remind myself on the scoring rules in Olympic boxing because I only counted 1 body shot they awarded Mayweather a point for- a leaping left hook to the body in the 2nd round. Based off his clean body punching throughout the fight, he should've accrued at least 5 points from his bodywork alone (and that's probably being a bit frugal.)

    I honestly didn't think it was that competitive. Floyd was the aggressor in the first 2, landed the much cleaner shots in every round (maybe not the 3rd,) was a much more effective counterpuncher, parried more shots than Aragon and his body work was terrific all fight. I thought it was around a 10 point difference going into the final round.

    I can see Aragon winning the last round, but I had Jr. winning by at least 6 points. It's amazing to see the lack of scoring from clean shots. Even Lorenzo nailed him with some clean shots that weren't counted for.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Well as seen in my OP, there was definitely a disparity between the clean blows acknowledged by the Olympic judges and those I perceived as landing myself (by about double), but the disparity compensation IMO didn't favor Mayweather too widely.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

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    It would be interesting to have everybody take a stab at tallying points and then average out a sort of aggregated consensus through acclamation of what the 'official' ESB score for this is.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

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    Or keep arguing over Ward vs. Kovalev, whatever. :lol:
     
  8. IntentionalButt

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    Edited the OP to include an embed compatible with Xenforo formatting.

    Now you lazy bums have no excuse to not watch the video; it doesn't even require copying and pasting the YT code into a new browser tab. :sisi1
     
  9. IntentionalButt

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    @MVC! get your ass in here and explain yourself.

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    At the 6:39 mark of this video, Aragón lands a right hand that drops Mayweather hard. Plain as day. Tell me how in your twisted little mind (and yours alone on this entire planet) that seemed to be a "slip".

    Entire sequence:

    With 2:11 elapsed on the round clock, they square off in center ring.
    2:10, Mayweather jabs, Aragón kicks out to dodge moving backward.
    2:09, both men have reset, squaring off again, Mayweather now in ring center, Aragón with his back a foot away from the ropes.
    2:08, Mayweather has closed the distance, and begun to lunge in with his lead knee bent, ready to fire a 1-2.
    2:07, Aragón has fallen against the ropes, leaning and dipping to slip both of Mayweather's punches, and putting his right arm out to push him off.
    2:06, right hand connects as Mayweather steps back, causing his neck to crick and entire body to contort from the visible impact as he falls.
    2:05, a stunned Mayweather gazes up at AraGód with a disbelieving pout.

    Tell me what you're seeing instead of this factual narrative.
     
  10. CathyBarry

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    I watched that vid and looked for the knockdown at 0.56 of rd2 like stated but i can't see anything.
     
  11. MVC!

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    1st vid, 2:04 in the 2nd round.

    You can see that Floyd's legs were slightly tangled and that's basically the reason why he ultimately went down. I can't really count that as a true knockdown.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

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    Were you looking at 56 seconds into the round or 56 seconds remaining?
     
  13. MVC!

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    I actually did not get a notification for some odd reason, but I'll definitely explain myself in a tad bit. Cheers!!

    It definitely is not as clear cut as you make it out to be.
     
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  15. MVC!

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    Okay, let's have a good and civil discussion about this. This is how I see it:

    Let's start 2:07 in the 2nd round, we can definitely see that the legs are starting to get tangled, as he was moving in an accelerated pace on the backfoot after a brutal assault on Aragon on the ropes. Hard to keep a good balance when you're moving away in that kind of pace

    You can see Aragon throws the lead right hand, Floyd is also throwing a left hook as a response while trying to avoid that right hand shot with the shoulders. I don't see the punch landing flush at all, it seems to me that he fell forward because he missed with the left hook more than the impact of the right hand. You can see that Aragon's right hand bats down Floyd's left and hits the shoulders as well and that's also a factor in why Floyd fell forward.

    I think he was shaking his head like he always does (He did it in the pro ranks when he saw that the opponent wasn't doing anything effective). It was more of a fact that he didn't keep a good balance and he was disappointed in his own boxing.